clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

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clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:11 am

when my main kick is muted the claps get significantly louder....i have them side chained to a muted kick, not the main one....

anyone know why? is it a frequency thing?

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:24 pm

anyone?

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by yur2die4 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:26 pm

Do you have a limiter on the master or anything? There could be so many factors contributing to the problem.

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:46 pm

nope...claps in a drum rack, eq, compressed & side chained to dummy kick


ok i think i may now what is the reason but dont understand why...i have my low freq drums all in a group and then on the group track i used an instrument rack to do some parallel compression. could that be it? if i take claps out of group they stay constant volume but obviously a lot lower since no parallel compression

any suggestions?

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by jestermgee » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:50 pm

How often are you dropping out the bass drum and leaving the clap? Can't you just create a volume automation offset with a setting that matches what you are expecting? Unless we have the project in front of us it could be a number of things in your chain/s. It's not finding the issue but it would address the problem and you won't be waiting round for an answer either.


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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:42 am

jestermgee wrote:How often are you dropping out the bass drum and leaving the clap? Can't you just create a volume automation offset with a setting that matches what you are expecting? Unless we have the project in front of us it could be a number of things in your chain/s. It's not finding the issue but it would address the problem and you won't be waiting round for an answer either.
yea i tried that and it just doesnt sound the same...claps are on 2 and 4 of the beat so hitting with the kick, could it be frequency sharing or something?

kick chain: instrument rack, one click sample, one body sample, utility to mono it, eq eight, glue compressor, auto filter
clap chain: drum rack, 3 clap samples, eq eight, compressor side chained to dummy kick
both grouped to a drum group with an instrument rack that has the dry signal and then a compressed one mixed in
master chain: nothing yet

ill try to upload a video when i get a chance and so u can see/hear whats going on...in the meantime, any suggestions on what to check out?

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by jestermgee » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:40 am

I wouldn't say it is frequency clashing I would guess it is the release of your parallel compressor when the BD drops out. If the parallel compressor is squashing the drums hard when the BD is pushing it with energy it will squash your clap too. Take away the BD and the clap on its own cannot cause the same compression to happen so the level will go through the compressor and be added to your dry signal much higher... is my guess.

Perhaps try and disable the parallel compression as a test and see if the clap is at the same level consistantly. You may be able to increase the release of the compressor to hold it longer?

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by rini1986 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:13 pm

If your kick is too loud in the mix, it will suppress your clap/snare.

Could also be a compressor on the drum group or masterbus.
If this is what's happening try this:

Duplicate your clap track and name it "Clap (No Kick)"
Cut the 1-bar parts of your original clap track where the kick doesn't hit and paste them into the "Clap (No Kick)" track.
Lower the volume of the "Clap (No Kick)" track by 1.5dB.
Now your clap must have the exact same volume when the kick hits and when the kick is muted.


Hope this will help!

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:01 pm

jestermgee wrote:I wouldn't say it is frequency clashing I would guess it is the release of your parallel compressor when the BD drops out. If the parallel compressor is squashing the drums hard when the BD is pushing it with energy it will squash your clap too. Take away the BD and the clap on its own cannot cause the same compression to happen so the level will go through the compressor and be added to your dry signal much higher... is my guess.

Perhaps try and disable the parallel compression as a test and see if the clap is at the same level consistantly. You may be able to increase the release of the compressor to hold it longer?

i think ur onto something....just about same with parallel off...uping the release all the way seems to do the trick but it takes away a lot of the punch of the drums.....what seems to be working best so far is lowering the compressed signal and then some volume automation on the claps. might stick with that...any other suggestions appreciated.

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Re: clap louder when kick muted & clap sidechained to dummy kick

Post by djcyph » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:20 pm

thanks guys! i think i should have it sorted now when i get home

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