Intel/Apple rumor true

onnomon · Post by **onnomon** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:10 am

face it, apple gave up on IBM. IBM hasn't come thru. The G5 design path has turned out to be unsuitable for laptop use.

I love my G5 system but the damn thing weighs a ton and is the size of a small refridgerator. How big is an AMD 64-bit system with the closest performance? little beige box?

What sucks is that we'll probably never see optimizations of Live for Mac PPC HW. Logic (totally PPC optimized) really runs circles around Live in performance, too bad Logic sucks from an ease-of-use perspective.

Apple's philosophy has been to be an integrated HW/SW system, they took a chance with third-party HW but ditched in not too long of a time. That's how apple makes their money, selling HW.

If all my tools ran under Linux, and Linux had good real-time performance, so long OsX. Until then OsX will remain my platform of choice.

ugh.

-dz

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:08 am

Just incase anyone mac-y wants to look in our crystal ball now, here you go .
2006 Intel roadmap.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=25
2007
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=50

you may as well look at some chipset timelines too now you are in our gang.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?MapNo=4

or for the short timeframe official corporate version
http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/workstation.htm

it usually bears reasonably close relation to what comes out, I wouldnt be watching for a 'mac only' chip though. Apple will have bought something that was already in the pipeline, something with DRM and dual core I am thinking.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:15 am

Angstrom wrote:Just incase anyone mac-y wants to look in our crystal ball now, here you go .
2006 Intel roadmap.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=25
2007
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=50

you may as well look at some chipset timelines too now you are in our gang.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?MapNo=4

or for the short timeframe official corporate version
http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/workstation.htm

it usually bears reasonably close relation to what comes out, I wouldnt be watching for a 'mac only' chip though. Apple will have bought something that was already in the pipeline, something with DRM and dual core I am thinking.

I'm not sure about DRM, though. Everybody's been saying the same thing, that the Pentium 4 D will have DRM built in, but Intel's been vehemently denying that, even as recent as last week. I'm beginning to think that the D stands for dual-core, and not DRM.
Of course, DRM would be the last thing the MPAA would want to see before we see the iTunes Movie Store launch, so who knows...

Edit: I just thought, nowhere did Steve Jobs mention the word Pentium in his Keybote, only when he showed the "About this Mac" box on the Mac he was using was the word Pentium displayed... maybe a 64-bit Intel CPU?

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:22 am

Apple will eventually stop selling hardware and will make software for microsoft.

Intel = Pc
Microsoft = Pc = intel
Apple = PC = intel
Microsoft own Apples ass.

Vercengetorex · Post by **Vercengetorex** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:23 am

Special K wrote:Apple will eventually stop selling hardware and will make software for microsoft.

Intel = Pc
Microsoft = Pc = intel
Apple = PC = intel
Microsoft own Apples ass.

Wow man...
You really do have an uncany grasp on the computer industry, don you...
[/sarcasm]

robin · Post by **robin** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:35 am

Angstrom wrote:Just incase anyone mac-y wants to look in our crystal ball now, here you go .
2006 Intel roadmap.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=25
2007
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?IxStart=50

you may as well look at some chipset timelines too now you are in our gang.
http://endian.net/roadmap.asp?MapNo=4

or for the short timeframe official corporate version
http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/workstation.htm

it usually bears reasonably close relation to what comes out, I wouldnt be watching for a 'mac only' chip though. Apple will have bought something that was already in the pipeline, something with DRM and dual core I am thinking.

yeah i did some digging around yesterday and found this info (on another site) so it could be a Yonah chip the powerbook will get. idle speculation i know but dual cores....nice.

Abes: now you can forget all this Altivec stuff and get on with making Live fully dual processor aware (not just gui on one and the engine on another like i think it is now).

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:49 am

Vercengetorex wrote:
Special K wrote:Apple will eventually stop selling hardware and will make software for microsoft.

Intel = Pc
Microsoft = Pc = intel
Apple = PC = intel
Microsoft own Apples ass.

Wow man...
You really do have an uncany grasp on the computer industry, don you...
[/sarcasm]

Much better than you probably think I do

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:01 pm

mcconaghy wrote: I just thought, nowhere did Steve Jobs mention the word Pentium in his Keybote, only when he showed the "About this Mac" box on the Mac he was using was the word Pentium displayed... maybe a 64-bit Intel CPU?

they are going to use a pentiumM variant initially , called Yonah.
Dont expect an Apple-only CPU to come out of Intel, the reason they switched is because of what is already prepared. "Yonah" is a low voltage CPU coming out in Q1 2006 designed around two Dothan cores, each with 2MB of cache.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06/08 ... /index.php

The first Apple systems in 2006 will use Intel’s Pentium M processor, according to sources familiar with the companies’ plans. The Pentium M uses the same x86 architecture as the Pentium 4, but consumes far less power than Pentium 4 chips and its design philosophy is expected to be the model for Intel’s future processors.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:21 pm

Angstrom wrote:
mcconaghy wrote: I just thought, nowhere did Steve Jobs mention the word Pentium in his Keybote, only when he showed the "About this Mac" box on the Mac he was using was the word Pentium displayed... maybe a 64-bit Intel CPU?

they are going to use a pentiumM variant initially , called Yonah.
Dont expect an Apple-only CPU to come out of Intel, the reason they switched is because of what is already prepared. "Yonah" is a low voltage CPU coming out in Q1 2006 designed around two Dothan cores, each with 2MB of cache.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06/08 ... /index.php

The first Apple systems in 2006 will use Intel’s Pentium M processor, according to sources familiar with the companies’ plans. The Pentium M uses the same x86 architecture as the Pentium 4, but consumes far less power than Pentium 4 chips and its design philosophy is expected to be the model for Intel’s future processors.

Sounds good, I wouldn't have expected anything exclusive, Intel has a huge lineup of potential CPUs, btu the Yonah makes sense for the whateverBooks and the MacMini, definitely.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:02 pm

createDigitalMusic has a wee article on what it might mean for musicians.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php ... &Itemid=44

which is the only place I have noticed that angle, if anyone else has a few links to (non-kvr argument style) articles on the impact for audio, I'd be interested.

I've seen a few articles from the video side. Such as this one here but it's not that much use, just the usual facts and some crying.

I'm interested in the nuts and bolts - such as I hear that AltiVec couln't do 64 bit for some reason and SSE2 will actually be better for DSP due to existing double precision and the coming dual cores.

siddhu · Post by **siddhu** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:51 pm

Great Article in Fortune Magazine about the brilliance of the move strategically.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastforw ... 80,00.html

a short extract:

The deal with Intel also gives Jobs access to low-power but capable microprocessors that are suitable for super-light notebook computers. IBM has not delivered a low-power version of the G5 chip that powers today's best Macs. In fact, they run so hot that they need liquid-cooling devices to keep them running. And this is at a time when notebooks are the fastest-growing segment of the PC market. A few weeks ago, for the first time, shipments of portable PCs surpassed desktops in the U.S. I can only imagine how creative Jonathan Ive, who designed the iMac and the iPod, will be when he can shrink the size of Mac notebooks even further. We're likely to see some pretty cool boxes.

It's also worth remembering just how much better the Mac OS X operating system is than Windows. Senior executives at some major PC companies have told me that they think Apple's system is significantly superior to Microsoft's Windows. And hardware design-wise, there's really no comparison between today's Macs and even the best Windows PCs.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:19 am

Hmm, not too sure on that article,

try this one -not Audio related which is what I am interested in ... but looks at it from a different angle from the usual .
"skys falling in" or "SJ says its good, so it must be good" angles

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050609.html
a work of bizarre fiction of course - but it raises a few interesting points

Tiger -- is a 64-bit OS, remember, yet Intel's 64-bit chips -- Xeon and Itanium -- are high buck items aimed at servers, not iMacs. So is Intel going to do a cheaper Itanium for Apple or is Apple going to pretend that 64-bit never existed?

siddhu · Post by **siddhu** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:14 am

Holy Shazoom Angstrom,

What an article!! We do live in interesting times.

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