Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

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Cheftunes
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Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:34 pm

Hey this is directed to the Drummers out there using Ableton live on stage.

My Question is: what is your best choice for controlling Ableton from a drumset?

There is a logical limitation: the hands are already occupied handling drumsticks so there are two options:

Option 1: A foot controller like the Behringer FCB or Ketih Mcmillen Softstep

Option 2: A pad controller which you can hit with your drumstick

I read that the DrumKAT is pretty cool, but it is also pretty expensive.

So i would love to know if anybody has some real life experience he could share on what is the best way to control Ableton from a Drumset.

Thanks in advance!

André

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by h3rtz » Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:25 pm

I'm not a drummer but if I were, I'd use my Alesis Control Pad (not pro).

8 velocity sensitive pads, channel and cc per pad. Cheap, but probably only used units available (think it went out of production)

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by paradiddle » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:35 pm

I use my spd-sx with it. Didn't buy it for that purpose but ended up using it like that anyway.
I'll trigger clips, drum vsts and the moebius vst looper with it among other things.

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:03 pm

Thanks, that is some good information so far! :lol:

I too had the Roland SPD-SX in mind.
Already owned the original SPD but then switched to the Yamaha DTX Multi 12 then.
Which is awesome but unfortunately broken after excessive touring.

But: nearly 700 Euro for just changing scenes is hard to justify for me at the moment.

So i will have a look on the Alesis thing too.

Maybe just will do the job.

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by paradiddle » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:09 pm

Yes a bit expensive for that. However I'm using it without Ableton also. The cost is justified for me.
There has to be cheaper alternative to that. Maybe find a used Roland octopad or something? Alesis aren't
expensive too for sure.

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:39 pm

Maybe i really should check the SPD-SX out as there will be different occasions where i too might play this thing as a standalone.

Thanks so far!

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by jpdudes94 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:28 am

Cheftunes wrote:Hey this is directed to the Drummers out there using Ableton live on stage.

My Question is: what is your best choice for controlling Ableton from a drumset?

There is a logical limitation: the hands are already occupied handling drumsticks so there are two options:

Option 1: A foot controller like the Behringer FCB or Ketih Mcmillen Softstep

Option 2: A pad controller which you can hit with your drumstick

I read that the DrumKAT is pretty cool, but it is also pretty expensive.

So i would love to know if anybody has some real life experience he could share on what is the best way to control Ableton from a Drumset.

Thanks in advance!

André
Hey I've been playing drums and using Ableton for a while now and here are some things I've done in the past. Drums pads are the way to go.
It all depends on what you want to trigger. Obviously for samples drum pads would be ideal (Unless you can play with one hand)

If you want to trigger a metronome and backing tracks you can use the following:

Computer keyboard (obviously requires a lot of precision)
Launchpads (Novation Launch Pad, Keith Mcmillen Quneo)
And of course Drum pads (Rolad Spdsx, Yamaha dtx-12, Alesis sample pad pro)

I am currently using the Keith Mcmillen Quneo it is very easy to assign midi and the pads are easier to use compared to a computer keyboard (led lights help see pads in darker settings), I do not own a drum pad and this was a cheaper alternative.

Drum pads make a huge difference to trigger samples I would recommend the Roland Spd-sx. But to trigger click tracks I would recommend the Alesis Sample Pad Pro (link down below) it simply gets the job done and is half the price.

http://alesis.com/samplepad-pro

Hope this helps!

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:14 am

Thank you very much for that detailed Information!

To be exactly i would really use Ableton pretty basic.
I would just want to fire the different scenes/songparts at its place.
So to be honest the perfect Set-Up would be Acoustic Drums and a way to just hit a pad and the next scene/songpart would play.

I have a launchpad and tried it, but i would love to keep my sticks in my hands when switching the scenes.

I just checked on my old DTX Multi 12 and found out three of the 12 Pads are still working.

But when i connected it to my Macbook Pro i got no Midisignal sent from the DTX.

Maybe i just check this out first?

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by garyboozy » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:54 am

the alesis percpad has 4 pads (map to scene up/down, play and stop, maybe) and is dirt cheap.

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by paradiddle » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:22 am

I've also used the lemur on the ipad to trigger some ableton stuff but requires playing with one hand and stay away from playing anyting too busy:)

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:30 am

man this thing has in fact midi in and out.
maybe this is really just the thing i am looking for!
i order this right away and try it out.
problem is i am a complete midi-looser and have no hell of a clue how to set this up :D
but this will be a problem for another post!

i let you know though.

best wishes, and thanks!!!

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by jpdudes94 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:24 pm

Based on whatever you get ill try to provide details on how to get it to work!

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by Cheftunes » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:15 am

very kind, i`ll let you know :)

best wishes, andré

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Re: Any Drummer here using Ableton on stage?

Post by mdsnumber1 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:50 am

I am using the Alesis Sample Pad Pro to trigger clips in abelton while I am playing acoustic drums. The sample pad keeps triggering off the vibration of my kit. I tried turning the sensitivity down to 1 and it doesn't seem to help. This happens on any stage I play on. I depend on the live loops as I am the drummer in a two piece that utilizes this as a third instrument. The sample pad doesn't have a mount of its own and I have tried a few different stands for it, but no luck. The only thing I have had any luck with is putting it ontop of a pillow and putting the pillow on a bar stool. Any one else have trouble with something like this? Any suggestions?

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