LIVE 9.2b1 Discuss....

[adh82]

So no one knows what that little black desktop unit is on the left of the picture????

[petit nuage]

anyone have tried or could try to install it on xp/vista ?
it will be really nice to have these informations.

if i can install it and if it works i will upgrade to live 9 in the hour
so please share infos if you know and big thanks by advance

[golemus]

he's just doing what you usually do: contentless bitching

Thanks for the compliment

Anyway my message did have a purpose, I am hoping that the engineers would notice this issue and repair it.

[tedlogan]

Really stoked about 3rd party plugs and automation latency compensation!

Thank you thank you than you Ableton!!
Best DAW news this year for me!

This has been nr.1 on my list of concerns and wishes since Session automation. Its not just about my personal and likeminded needs, its also about Lives reputation. There is no way to deny that there are loads of producers avoiding Live solely for its roumoured muddy sound. I hear it on a regular basis as I collab with many and talk with hundreds of producers in my genre every year. I have even noticed DJs in some edm genres, like techno, using the term "Ableton Sound" for muddy sounding productions with sloppy timing. I know all the tricks to tighten it up, and I gently preach it as the senior Live-fan I am, but its nice to finally get this nailed and forgoten once and for all, isnt it.


No mentioning about the uncompensated latency on Sends though?

I must be crazy, but I notice a definite improvement in the quality of sounds, especially in some of the instrument racks... I don't know if this is the same thing, but I just checked the cello and the sound seems much improved. Weird, and I still can't quite believe it....

(One reason I purchased Sampletank 3 and Komplete was a perceived lack of sound quality in Live. I'll have to have more time with Live to be sure, but so far so good!).

I read in the update-related ableton.com article that they updated many presets' aftertouch, so I went to check a few Operator ones. Some did seem to sound much better, like they were tweaked further. I couldn't be bothered to compare to 9.1.7's same presets, so I put this perceived improvement down to placebo due to improved AT response. I never use those presets anyway, so how would I know? But since you've perceived this as well...

[TomViolenz]

he's just doing what you usually do: contentless bitching

Thanks for the compliment

Anyway my message did have a purpose, I am hoping that the engineers would notice this issue and repair it.

oh sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought I made it clear that I agree with your complaints in my previous posts in this thread.

I was talking about eyeknow and pencil rocket

They are the...



...of the Live forums

[bengtfalke]

I have some problems with Omnisphere. It seems the GUI will not open sometimes with the beta. Has anybody else this problem too?

[PHY6]

I've had this happen before with normal versions also. With Trillian though.
So it's not new...don't remember ever making a bug report...Happend maybe 2/3 times before.


All in all, I'm very happy with the beta for now.
I started mixing a really big project, and can clearly hear a difference.

[Stromkraft]

if my customer relationship with ableton, after more than 10 years, is temporaly ending(...until my next pc) on a version, because of this politic, please understand that it would be nice that it will be....AFTER...THAT CRUCIAL/ MAJOR VERSION...

While I agree with your and Tom's sentiment here I can only observe that Ableton certainly didn't have to support OS X 10.5 — maybe not 10.6 either (high support until Mavericks though) —  nor Windows XP even in april 2013. Native Instruments had already dropped support by then. I'm not sure about the status of other DAWs in at that time, but maybe others that know can chime in?

Given Ableton's IMHO stellar support for operating systems in 2013 I believe there are specific reasons why they dropped support now. I'm not sure what that can be though. But as I think was said earlier Apple is not paving the way for developers to keep supporting older OSes. Possible Microsoft is/was better in that regard for developers?

[mmorgan]

Can't speak for the OSX side of things but Cakewalk dropped support for XP and Vista with the X3 release. IIRC the issue revolved around that the installation libraries had dropped support. I believe that some people got the Vista installation working but it was no longer supported.

I want to be sympathetic but honestly, when a manufacturer (MS in this case) stops support for an OS (XP in this case) I think it is unrealistic to expect independent software vendors to somehow continue supporting it.

Any word on when the actual 9.2 version will be released?

[petit nuage]

thanks for your informations but why not just waiting until a live 9.4's version by exple (for a reasonnably stable xp/vista version) and after OK go !

plus IMO i find its not very fair to stop compatibility between two versions.
for me, its more logical for a the next generation of live, which start with LIVE 10 i think...

if i can install it, use it, and that it is relatively stable on xp it is cool for me
and it could help me, meanwhile, waiting live 10 and a new pc .


so please ableton (or someone) could you tell me more about dropping vs stopping compatibility ?
install and use is ok but not technical support for the specific os ?

or no way at all ?

[Pitch Black]

The beta will install, but will NOT run on OSX.6, so I assume it will be the same with the unsupported Windows versions.

[petit nuage]

thanks

i hope not...but surely...

[dixie237]

So no one knows what that little black desktop unit is on the left of the picture????

SND Acme-4

[H20nly]

What does dropping of support mean, practically? Does it mean it won't run on the system at all, or just that they won't deal with crashes, errors and fixes relating to the OS?

every month a list of OS security vulnerabilities and flaws is released. sometimes those flaws are with newer technologies or long time bugs. the security vulnerabilities are with back doors and susceptibility and speak to things like turning your computer into a bot as part of a botnet. when an OS maker drops support those weaknesses go unsupported, un-patched, and unresolved... but the list continues to grow. companies like Oracle/Java begin dropping support for their products too... so software that depends on those products in the no longer supported OS, to execute portions of their code or work in tandem, also lose support by proxy.

so, if Ableton have any issues with XP... they won't get any help from Microsoft or anyone else really. why bother?

and i'm of the camp that would not be surprised if something in the XP/Vista code contributed to or prolonged the PDC solution... and i believe that their efforts getting that portion of the code to work with those old operating systems (Snow Leopard included) would have only prolonged the changes... so, it might have been a Live 10 feature instead. so we got lucky they didn't make us wait... and pay for it in the 10 upgrade. they threw us a bone... a lot of companies would not have done the same.

one last thought on this... maybe another thing that's going on here is the phasing out of 32 bit operating systems.

[Electric Blue Studios]

What does dropping of support mean, practically? Does it mean it won't run on the system at all, or just that they won't deal with crashes, errors and fixes relating to the OS?

every month a list of OS security vulnerabilities and flaws is released. sometimes those flaws are with newer technologies or long time bugs. the security vulnerabilities are with back doors and susceptibility and speak to things like turning your computer into a bot as part of a botnet. when an OS maker drops support those weaknesses go unsupported, un-patched, and unresolved... but the list continues to grow. companies like Oracle/Java begin dropping support for their products too... so software that depends on those products in the no longer supported OS, to execute portions of their code or work in tandem, also lose support by proxy.

so, if Ableton have any issues with XP... they won't get any help from Microsoft or anyone else really. why bother?

and i'm of the camp that would not be surprised if something in the XP/Vista code contributed to or prolonged the PDC solution... and i believe that their efforts getting that portion of the code to work with those old operating systems (Snow Leopard included) would have only prolonged the changes... so, it might have been a Live 10 feature instead. so we got lucky they didn't make us wait... and pay for it in the 10 upgrade. they threw us a bone... a lot of companies would not have done the same.

one last thought on this... maybe another thing that's going on here is the phasing out of 32 bit operating systems.

well put.