Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

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Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by login » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:48 pm

What do you think of the quality of Live stock saturation effects vs third party stuff?

I am looking at Satin and Saturn to complement the, but maybe the stock ones are good enough?

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by musikmachine » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:12 am

Satin is amazing, i actually did try Live's stock fx on a track recently for the low end and ended up reverting to Satin, it's got a unique character to it and very versatile, can't use too many instances cause of CPU.

One saturation effect worth having in your arsenal is Klanghelms SDRR imo http://klanghelm.com/SDRR.php

But i like the stock plugins, they're good enough but if i want something a bit special i reach for those two.

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by mons79 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:32 am

Also check out Voxengos Tube amp!
Simple, but smooth and nice sounding plug, and its free! :)

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by TomViolenz » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:29 am

While Saturator is pretty good and I have ignored it for way too long, there is just no possible comparison to Saturn.

Saturator is a Vespa, Saturn a Ferrari!

It's quite low in CPU use for a saturator (Lives one is too, while Satin isn't), has a shit ton of great algos, is multi band, has a useful dynamics knob (works like the attack knob of a transient shaper), has an eq for each band, all the insane modulation options of the Fabfilter plugs all packed in a great interactive GUI with a spectrum graph.

If you can afford it, get it and never look back 8)

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by re:dream » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:12 am

What Tom says. Saturn rocks.

But Live's Dynamic Tube is a lovely little device too. Low on resources, very versatile, very nicely designed. It's not a Ferrari, but not a Vespa either. A solid little pickup truck with .... Um no, I'm going to abandon the motorized vehicle metaphors right there :P

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by TomViolenz » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:32 am

And I want to be on record with saying that a Vespa is a very versatile little vehicle that will eventually get you where you need to go :mrgreen:

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by yur2die4 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:01 pm

Live's Saturator has a hi quality mode, right?

Not that this would give it much of an improvement, I'm just throwing that out there as a reminder... Unless it is no longer there haha. In which case you can ignore this. And chips and salsa

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by login » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:48 pm

So which one, saturn or satin, would complement more than overlap with Live stock devices?

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by stringtapper » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:21 pm

yur2die4 wrote:And chips and salsa
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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by ImNotDedYet » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:58 pm

Saturn is killer, and I mean absolutely killer. I haven't played with Satin, but have heard really good things about it. I think it's more of a tape emulation, whereas Saturn attempts to emulate tape, tubes, all kinds of things, and the multi-band thing is great as well. Another saturation option would be Kramer Tape by Waves. It's also a tape emulation, is usually on sale for $70 and I find it to be quite useful for all things tape.

Don't rule out Live's Amp plug though. It can provide some nice saturation as well.

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by musikmachine » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:14 pm

Try the demos? Satin is an analog tape emu and also has a flanger and delay unit, can even emulate reverb but i've never demoed Saturn so can't comment on that.

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by LFO8 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:34 pm

Ableton's Saturator is ok, but no where near Fabfilter Saturn. No that could be the only Saturation plugin you'll ever need. So so many applications for it. Drums, bass, percussion, vocals, synths, complete mixes or groups.

It can go from adding warm, rich overtones to tight crisp to complete destroy mayhem.

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by Stromkraft » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:36 pm

login wrote:What do you think of the quality of Live stock saturation effects vs third party stuff?

I am looking at Satin and Saturn to complement the, but maybe the stock ones are good enough?
The Live audio effects are underrated. They can do great sound especially when combined.
I got the Melda MMultibandSaturator and I'm very happy with that (forget the presets though). Satin is on my purchase list even though someone tipped me off of a lower priced tape saturator plug-in that I forgot the name of just now, but that was supposed to be surprisingly great.
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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by tedlogan » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:10 pm

I tried to stick to Saturator for a long time and still use it, but I just gelled a lot more with Satin, which can produce a creamy smooth fuzz to a harsher hardclipped distortion. Playing around with a combination of Speed ips, Pre-Emph, Compander, Encoder, Input and Headroom produce a wide variety of saturated tones, especially the latter four.

Satin also throws in a lovely chorus/delay and a flanger unit.

I've not tried any other VST distortions yet.

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Re: Live saturator/overdrive/tube vs third party

Post by musikmachine » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:29 pm

ImNotDedYet wrote:Saturn is killer, and I mean absolutely killer. I haven't played with Satin, but have heard really good things about it. I think it's more of a tape emulation, whereas Saturn attempts to emulate tape, tubes, all kinds of things, and the multi-band thing is great as well. Another saturation option would be Kramer Tape by Waves. It's also a tape emulation, is usually on sale for $70 and I find it to be quite useful for all things tape.

Don't rule out Live's Amp plug though. It can provide some nice saturation as well.
Read good things about Kramer. I've just started using Amp as a send effect, a tip i picked up was to set it to clean and use it on drums and percussion to add clarity but also been trying the other models on kicks and bass, pretty tasty.

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