Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

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Dhji
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Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Dhji » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:04 am

I've found a couple of these on the internet and some are different from eachother... Why is that? Do you have other charts? What chart would you say is the most accurate? Im looking for one that shows the low mids and highs like the ones I provided..

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by tedlogan » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:52 am

I'd say they're all roughly "correct", depending on your perception, instrument and context.

The one thing that is almost always constant in my recordings is that the range between 120hz - 300hz is usually the mudbringer depending on instrument or patch, everything below 50hz gets terminated, around 8khz is the horrible sharp "S" (sibilance?) on vocals that I always notch out and anything over 17khz I personally cannot hear (confirmed after doing frequency listening tests) and so on.

I'm sure learned audio scholars on this forum can provide more scientific explanations.

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Steve Glen » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:20 am

I dont like any of those. They do a terrible job of communicating their ill conceived points.

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Steve Glen » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:06 am

This is a little better


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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Stromkraft » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:08 am

Despite no big overview I kinda like this one:

Independent Recording's Interactive Frequency Chart
Make some music!

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Pitch Black » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:22 am

I like this take on it - here lives music, language... and pain!

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Timbeaux » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:41 am

aha

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by tedlogan » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:14 pm

Stromkraft wrote:Despite no big overview I kinda like this one:

Independent Recording's Interactive Frequency Chart
Yeah, same.
Steve Glen wrote:This is a little better
That's useful too.

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by H20nly » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:02 pm

*bookmark*

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Steve Glen » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:24 pm

Stromkraft I didn't realize that one is mouse-over interactive. Very cool.

I remember there was a chart for mix-engineers in Sample Magic's Secrets of House Music Production book. But I lent it to a student and never got it back, and I can't find the chart online.

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by logicbomb.de » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:00 pm

I've seen this one floating around, for the type of music that people make in Ableton, it could be helpful

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by Steve Glen » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:52 am

What does 'boxy or boomy slight cut at 350 - 600hz' mean?

Why is there a different 'muddiness' freq range for different instruments? (250 - 800 Bass, but 600-800 kick)
Why is the 'roundness' different for instruments? (100-150/250 Kick bass, but that same freq range is 'Fills out sound' on snare, with snare's roundness @ 500)

What does the pink line under hats less than 250HZ represent? It's the same thickness of line on snare between 500 and 3k, does that mean that hats under 250hz should be the same volume as snare between 500hz and 3k?

Each instrument has a coloured line, what does the width of the line represent? That I should hear the instrument there? The amplitude of the instrument should be high in that range? or should I boost those frequencies regardless of how it sounds for those frequencies?
Is this a guide for a good mix or a troubleshooting chart?

Although that last one has the most modern styling, it fails the hardest at graphic design because it is unable to communicate ideas. I would not share that with anyone.

Here are some quick corrections.
# most people can hear sound under 125 Hz.
# a track can have power without 125-500hz by using the <125 and >500 ranges effectively.
# 'upper harmonics[,] snap of kick etc.'
# '[If you have] bass boominess[,] [try] cutting xxxhz'

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Re: Who's frequency chart is it anyways?

Post by fishmonkey » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:35 am

at first i thought you were being overly critical, but after trying to grok that diagram i actually agree. it's a dog's breakfast!
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