What you’re saying would be true for any other DAW. Why add native synths when you can just as easily use VSTis?Machinesworking wrote:Whole heartedly disagree.pinkpaint wrote:I think theres one thing that is obvious here though: We would all like to see more native synths.
This website is mostly filled with people who use Live only, but I would venture a mild guess that more than half the people who buy Live also use a more fleshed out full featured DAW (SysEx, better video integration, audio editing etc.), like Pro Tools, Logic, Digital Performer, Cubase etc.
None of us have much use for plug ins that cannot work outside Live. Personally I own the AAS Suite, and that's 80% of Lives plug ins, which have been upgraded to newer versions in the last couple years while Live's versions remain at 128 parameter version one.
I would much rather see advances to the sequencer, MIDI and audio editing parts of Live than new plug ins. Things that cannot be added into Live via third party IMO are of a much higher importance than Ableton paying another third party developer like AAS, Cycling 74, etc. to make embedded versions.
Live, however is a special snowflake. It’s designed from the ground up for live use and especially now with Push would greatly benefit from new or, at least updated native synths.
Any Live user also using Push knows how awkward using third-party VSTis with Push is. The only real way of playing Live and Push like an instrument is relying on the native devices and with the exception of Operator (which is cool in its own right) and Sampler (which is dependent on the quality of the (thankfully) often compatible sample libraries), the sound and features of Lives’ native synths is incredibly flat and dated.
I would Love to see some new synths or at least vastly improved current ones with the next version of Live.