Push 2 coming soon?

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live
Tarekith
Posts: 17344
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:46 pm
Location: Ableton Forum Administrator
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by Tarekith » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:17 pm

No, you can't control routing or resampling per se, though if you had a track already pre-routed to another, you could always trigger record on the second track from Push.

puzzlefactory
Posts: 360
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:39 pm

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by puzzlefactory » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:19 pm

Hmmm, that's a shame (and a slightly misleading video)...

nemoy
Posts: 380
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:45 pm
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by nemoy » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:20 pm

Just one question:
Can you map controls when NOT in user mode?

theswiftone
Posts: 84
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:35 pm

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by theswiftone » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:23 pm

So what happened to Akai's involvement?

Tarekith
Posts: 17344
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:46 pm
Location: Ableton Forum Administrator
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by Tarekith » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:32 pm

No idea. I think Ableton just wanted to have full control over the product from design to quality control, but that's just speculation.

The one thing I heard over and over all weekend was that Ableton considers Push an instrument first and foremost, it's not meant to be a full on general purpose DAW controller. They want it to be easy to use of course, but they also want it to be something that people can practice for years and develop skill to truly master, just like an acoustic instrument. Heck, some of the guys from Team Supreme like Djembe Djembe are amazing in how they can treat it like that already.

Gerhard said Ableton's concept is they want to make only one piece of software, and only one piece of hardware, and that they will support those for years and years to foster a new way of playing electronic music.

Tarekith
Posts: 17344
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:46 pm
Location: Ableton Forum Administrator
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by Tarekith » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:43 pm

nemoy wrote:Just one question:
Can you map controls when NOT in user mode?
No, although all the previous mappings have been completely reworked to be more intuitive. It's a lot easier to dive into racks and pages in devices now, and it makes more sense how things are grouped too.

Transienta
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:02 am

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by Transienta » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:47 pm

I see high resolution encoders mentioned. Any details about those? More than 128 steps?

BoddAH
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:13 pm
Location: Brussels, Belgium

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by BoddAH » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:27 pm

TomViolenz wrote:
So from my reading the new filters come to Sampler too (good) but warping doesn't?!

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! :x

And I see they continue to shove M4L down our throats :roll:

I guess that means no new native devices to Live ever again :(
And why exactly would you want new devices if they keep improving the existing ones?

I'd much rather have tweaks, sound quality improvements and new features for the existing devices. Than a brand new and redundant new synth that causes my old ones to collect dust.

I really like that approach compared to most other DAWs. It limits bloat and keeps Live streamlined.

tedlogan
Posts: 1343
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:23 pm
Location: Leamington Spa, UK
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by tedlogan » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:30 pm

Tarekith wrote:
nemoy wrote:Just one question:
Can you map controls when NOT in user mode?
No, although all the previous mappings have been completely reworked to be more intuitive. It's a lot easier to dive into racks and pages in devices now, and it makes more sense how things are grouped too.
Are the native devices only partially mapped again? As in, only half the controls available, inexplicably, from Push?

I also see plugins can be loaded, but only presets of any plugin if it's in AU format. Arrrggghhh. Probably some VSt limitation at present?

TomViolenz
Posts: 6854
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 pm

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by TomViolenz » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:42 pm

BoddAH wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:
So from my reading the new filters come to Sampler too (good) but warping doesn't?!

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! :x

And I see they continue to shove M4L down our throats :roll:

I guess that means no new native devices to Live ever again :(
And why exactly would you want new devices if they keep improving the existing ones?

I'd much rather have tweaks, sound quality improvements and new features for the existing devices. Than a brand new and redundant new synth that causes my old ones to collect dust.

I really like that approach compared to most other DAWs. It limits bloat and keeps Live streamlined.
Did you miss that they just released 3 new instruments for M4L?

I'm all for enhancing the "old" instruments, god know Sampler could really use it, but as long as they already spend time on making new instruments (or LFOs :x ), they should be available as native devices and not in buggy CPU hog M4L.

BoddAH
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:13 pm
Location: Brussels, Belgium

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by BoddAH » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:52 pm

True, if anything, they should spend more time and effort improving the old devices.

But to be fair, most new M4L devices are just based on community made stuff that's been reskinned and blessed by Ableton. It's a lot less work. :lol:


puzzlefactory
Posts: 360
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:39 pm

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by puzzlefactory » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:02 pm

Where can you see if it's in stock or not?

I'm thinking of trading in my Push Mk1 but I'm undecided right now. It says in the Ableton store "products in stock usually delivered in 2-6 working days" but I can't see anywhere any indication of whether they are in stock or not...

BoddAH
Posts: 638
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:13 pm
Location: Brussels, Belgium

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by BoddAH » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:05 pm

puzzlefactory wrote:Where can you see if it's in stock or not?

I'm thinking of trading in my Push Mk1 but I'm undecided right now. It says in the Ableton store "products in stock usually delivered in 2-6 working days" but I can't see anywhere any indication of whether they are in stock or not...
That's the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet. That whole "we just want your money then it's not our problem anymore when it will actually be ready to be shipped to you" doesn't really fly in my book. :lol:

If it actually IS in stock and can be shipped immediately, it should be clearly indicated.

Angstrom
Posts: 14664
Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:22 pm
Contact:

Re: Push 2 coming soon?

Post by Angstrom » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:07 pm

puzzlefactory wrote:Where can you see if it's in stock or not?

I'm thinking of trading in my Push Mk1 but I'm undecided right now. It says in the Ableton store "products in stock usually delivered in 2-6 working days" but I can't see anywhere any indication of whether they are in stock or not...
you want to take €200 in vouchers for your old Push 1?

I suspect that even in the current buyers market you can do better than that.

Post Reply