If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

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If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by psycsteevns » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:45 pm

If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM.

But when played, it sounds the same.

If I compose in Ableton at 120 bpm, I need it to read in Traktor at 120 bpm.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by beats me » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:53 pm

Blame Dubstep. Seriously.

Anyhow, don't remember where it is but there is some deck button on Traktor that will double or half the tempo readout at the click of that button. It's not an Ableton issue.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by psycsteevns » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:47 pm

That actually worked. Thanks man, good look'n out.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by beats me » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:05 pm

No problem. That irritates me a lot as well. At least it is a quick fix. :wink:

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by psycsteevns » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:45 am

I'm just wondering, why it does that. It would be a lot easier if the number was number ya know? I'd hate to have to rely on that little trick every time.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by sporkles » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:45 am

In order for Traktor to utilise its sync functionality, it needs to analyse the tracks you load. Sometimes it simply doesn't interpret downbeats the way you expect it to, I guess, and either doubles or halves the actual tempo. Just be thankful that we're still marginally smarter than a computer programme. 8)

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by doghouse » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:25 pm

Detecting tempo is an art not a science. We have gotten used to the SW getting the tempo and key right every time. Well, sometimes it gets it wrong.

Doubling or halving the tempo is pretty common, that's why Traktor has those buttons and Ableton lets you manually edit the base tempo of clips.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by SLEEarts » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:50 pm

60 bpm IS 120 bpm IS 240 bpm etc. It just depends on what division of the beat you're talking about. No software audio analyzer can read your mind, that's why they all have a double/halve button.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by psycsteevns » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:21 am

It should read the correct damn tempo though.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by overflow1 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:45 pm

psycsteevns wrote:It should read the correct damn tempo though.
SLEEarts wrote:60 bpm IS 120 bpm IS 240 bpm etc. It just depends on what division of the beat you're talking about. No software audio analyzer can read your mind, that's why they all have a double/halve button.

Knowing the correct tempo is relative to NOT being an idiot.

If your an idiot tempo doesn't matter, If your not an idiot you'll know what your computer means......

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by stringtapper » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:59 pm

psycsteevns wrote:It should read the correct damn tempo though.
Please take a minute and try to understand this:
SLEEarts wrote:60 bpm IS 120 bpm IS 240 bpm etc. It just depends on what division of the beat you're talking about. No software audio analyzer can read your mind, that's why they all have a double/halve button.
If you fully comprehend the above and you get any bright ideas about how to write a better algorithm for tempo detection then by all means please do it.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by beats me » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:58 pm

Again, I blame Dubstep. Dubstep is half DnB tempo of 170 which should be 85 but these clowns still produce at 170 because, well, I don’t know why the fuck they do that. And slower tempos seem to be all the rage now (even for dance music WTF) and I’m sure there are plenty of other producers composing in a tempo other than what God intended. :x

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by H20nly » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:01 pm

a little harsh... must be cool to come out the womb knowing everything about tempo.

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Re: If I export at 120 BPM, Traktor reads it as 60 BPM. Why?

Post by Donnie » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:19 pm

beats me wrote:Again, I blame Dubstep. Dubstep is half DnB tempo of 170 which should be 85 but these clowns still produce at 170 because, well, I don’t know why the fuck they do that. And slower tempos seem to be all the rage now (even for dance music WTF) and I’m sure there are plenty of other producers composing in a tempo other than what God intended. :x
Dubstep is generally 130-140+ bpm

However, there is a lot bass music that is half-time 170-180bpm. As a general rule: I double the tempo on anything below 90bpm, halve the tempo above 180, and keep 90bpm and above as is. It seems to keep everything in a mixable range for me across genres.

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