Serum vs. Zebra vs. Bazille vs ...? Meaningful comparisons?
Serum vs. Zebra vs. Bazille vs ...? Meaningful comparisons?
Zebra has been on my "list" for ages, but Serum has really tickled my fancy - dialling in gnarly sounds is super intuitive and easy. I'm pretty sure I don't *really* need either one, but does anyone have good arguments for one over the other? Is there even any point in comparing them?
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Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Can’t give a complete overview but I’d say for simplicity and being visually obvious Serum wins.
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Love the visual aspect of Serum. Animated modulations of parameters is fantastic for identifying what is going on in a patch.
Just a shame however, that going by the patches included, it sounds quite sterile to my ears.
Just a shame however, that going by the patches included, it sounds quite sterile to my ears.
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Also you can add custom wavetable libraries to Serum. I’ve seen vids where users have all the wavetables from Access Virus and Omnisphere 2.
There are a lot of YouTube videos on Serum you can check out for the basic idea.
There are a lot of YouTube videos on Serum you can check out for the basic idea.
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Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
SOUND:
Zebra sounds warm and organic. Serum sounds sterile, cold, dry, and digital. But a huge number of people love Serum. Those who don't like it always complain about the same thing, i.e. the digital sound. I liked the sound of Serum for about 20 minutes, but it increasingly became like nails on the chalkboard of my soul.
USABILITY:
This can be a surprisingly personal thing. Many people find Zebra complex, but I find it intuitive. Weirdly, I find Hive, for example, unintuitive whereas everybody else finds it intuitive. So maybe it depends on how your particular brain is wired.
CONCLUSION:
Watch videos and try the demos and work with each for an extended session. You can freeze tracks if you create something you like with a demo.
Zebra sounds warm and organic. Serum sounds sterile, cold, dry, and digital. But a huge number of people love Serum. Those who don't like it always complain about the same thing, i.e. the digital sound. I liked the sound of Serum for about 20 minutes, but it increasingly became like nails on the chalkboard of my soul.
USABILITY:
This can be a surprisingly personal thing. Many people find Zebra complex, but I find it intuitive. Weirdly, I find Hive, for example, unintuitive whereas everybody else finds it intuitive. So maybe it depends on how your particular brain is wired.
CONCLUSION:
Watch videos and try the demos and work with each for an extended session. You can freeze tracks if you create something you like with a demo.
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
I think you should be comparing Serum and Codex. Comparing Serum and Zebra is kind of odd since they are so different.
One thing to keep in mind is CPU usage. Serum can be quite heavy on the CPU. On my laptop Serum is a monophonic synth, on my desktop it's a polyphonic synth.
Serum is also in active development. There are new betas frequently with not only bug fixes but new feature requests included as well. U-he is good about updates too.
Full disclosure: I don't actually own Zebra nor have I used it. But I do own Serum and Codex and somewhat related I own Diva and Bazille.
One thing to keep in mind is CPU usage. Serum can be quite heavy on the CPU. On my laptop Serum is a monophonic synth, on my desktop it's a polyphonic synth.
Serum is also in active development. There are new betas frequently with not only bug fixes but new feature requests included as well. U-he is good about updates too.
Full disclosure: I don't actually own Zebra nor have I used it. But I do own Serum and Codex and somewhat related I own Diva and Bazille.
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Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
About the easiness Spire is easier and toward usable synth sound in electronic music songs.sporkles wrote:super intuitive and easy
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Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Someone already mentioned, but the comparison is about as crazy as you can get when talking about essentially wavetable synths.
Very different sound. I've used Zebra since it was OSX and AU only, but beyond that Serum is designed with that mouse guy, which I can't say I'm a real fan of, (suing people who used samples included in Fruity Loops that he sold to Fruity comes to mind) whereas Urs Heckman is a really decent person.
Read this if you want an idea of why I would rather give my money to Urs. Besides the simple fact that Zebra is an amazing synth and Urs is very generous with upgrade pricing etc.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/12/a ... c-samples/
Very different sound. I've used Zebra since it was OSX and AU only, but beyond that Serum is designed with that mouse guy, which I can't say I'm a real fan of, (suing people who used samples included in Fruity Loops that he sold to Fruity comes to mind) whereas Urs Heckman is a really decent person.
Read this if you want an idea of why I would rather give my money to Urs. Besides the simple fact that Zebra is an amazing synth and Urs is very generous with upgrade pricing etc.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/12/a ... c-samples/
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
pencilrocket wrote:About the easiness Spire is easier and toward usable synth sound in electronic music songs.sporkles wrote:super intuitive and easy
That is seriously like EDMs best kept underdog softsynth secret that not even my loudmouth will mention it. +5 dexterity to you!
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
beats me wrote:pencilrocket wrote:About the easiness Spire is easier and toward usable synth sound in electronic music songs.sporkles wrote:super intuitive and easy
That is seriously like EDMs best kept underdog softsynth secret that not even my loudmouth will mention it. +5 dexterity to you!
Oh great you guys mentioned Spire, THANKS A LOT (sarcasm).
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
I've demoed both in the past, and the reason I'm asking is more for the sake of an interesting dialogue and the fact that I know that I already have the tools I need, and that I'm really just looking for quicker routes to the desired results. I hear some fantastic sound design in the Hans Zimmer verson of Zebra, whereas the included presets in the regular version sound incredibly bland and mundane. With Serum, I can make interesting sounds very easily, but I consider it more as a complement to the synths I already own, whereas Zebra - based on my own (limited) tweaking and the presets, is overlapping at best.
Another thing to take into account is the absurd CPU hit of Serum. I cannot imagine the monster machine required to use this care-free like I do my other synths (ranging from Massive and Sylenth1 to Alchemy). Then again - the kind of sound I picture myself making with Serum is definitely more effect-y and ornamental - the kind of sounds I readily freeze&flatten anyway.
I'm pretty sure my question is getting more and more leading, here, but the *logical* choice for someone who owns all the NI synths, Ableton Suite, Alchemy (CAMEL AUDIOOOOO!), Cyclop and Sylenth1 is Serum, right?
Then again - does anyone have any insight into the legendary next version of Zebra...? And, Machines, I get what you're saying - Urs seems like a super guy, and I've really wanted to throw some money at U-he, but I simply haven't been able to go for it. But Steve Duda also comes across as a very amicable fellow, from what I can tell watching his Serum vids.
Another thing to take into account is the absurd CPU hit of Serum. I cannot imagine the monster machine required to use this care-free like I do my other synths (ranging from Massive and Sylenth1 to Alchemy). Then again - the kind of sound I picture myself making with Serum is definitely more effect-y and ornamental - the kind of sounds I readily freeze&flatten anyway.
I'm pretty sure my question is getting more and more leading, here, but the *logical* choice for someone who owns all the NI synths, Ableton Suite, Alchemy (CAMEL AUDIOOOOO!), Cyclop and Sylenth1 is Serum, right?
Then again - does anyone have any insight into the legendary next version of Zebra...? And, Machines, I get what you're saying - Urs seems like a super guy, and I've really wanted to throw some money at U-he, but I simply haven't been able to go for it. But Steve Duda also comes across as a very amicable fellow, from what I can tell watching his Serum vids.
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Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Have you thought about Omnisphere?
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
No, a more apt comparison to Serum would probably be Waldorf Nave or Tone2 Electra2
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Bear in mind that most of ZebraHZ's presets do not even use that version's addons (diva filters, per-channel compression and the resonator)and can be programmed with normal Z. Don't judge vanilla Zebra by its factory bank. I too find it relatively mundane, even though Howard Scarr is the synth preset king in general.sporkles wrote: I hear some fantastic sound design in the Hans Zimmer verson of Zebra, whereas the included presets in the regular version sound incredibly bland and mundane.
Also check out the previous factory bank, much more interesting sound design, but you're probably making your own sounds anyway. I've used Zebra for a few years now and still come upon surprising new sounds. An amazing synth. Those comb filters make for some really good sounding fantasy ethno weirdness, amongst other things.
I've only demoed Serum, and thought it sounded great. Very clean modern character to it. Not worked with it much though.
Re: Serum vs. Zebra - a meaningful comparison?
Not thrilled with the sound character of Serum. It is high quality for sure. And fun to experiment with wavetables. Bit heavy on the cpu, but that would not deter me if I loved the sound.
Zebra is amazing. For me, an endless source of beautiful sounds. A complete must have.
Zebra is amazing. For me, an endless source of beautiful sounds. A complete must have.