Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live

Bring Back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality please!

YES: Having every clip the exact same color in a track makes it very difficult to tell different musical ideas apart, especially on-stage. Give users the OPTION of turning this on or off please.
86
83%
NO: Keep this new functionality in 9.5 and do not give users a choice in changing it
18
17%
 
Total votes: 104

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by andrepulse » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:44 pm

Thats the official answer from ableton for me by email:

"Hey there Andre,

Thank you for posting the video and for providing additional information.

The behavior you have reported is a currently filed bug in the Live software. It is currently being addressed by our development team, but may take some time to fix.

In this particular scenario I would recommend following the behavior shown in the short video.

Rather than individually save your tracks, you should simply drag them to a folder in your User Library or Places in the Live browser. This behavior will retain your track color along with other clip information.



I hope this helps, and please don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions!

Cheers,
Matt

Ableton Support

When referring to this case, please use the case number: (Case
abletonxxxxxxx) from the subject line.

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by solovox » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:38 am

I'm very relieved to see how many people feel the same way about this mandatory change. Special thanks to soundsliketree for writing to Ableton. I was working for about six hours today in Live and this same color over and over and over again really slowed me down and added so much confusion. For this to be happening on-stage will just be a deal breaker.

THANK YOU Ableton for responding and we eagerly look forward to your assistance here. Whether a dedicated button inside Preferences or an Options.txt, we would like to have random colors-per-scene come back as soon as possible.

Also--what do you think about dedicated colors-per-SCENE? That would also be helpful.

Sincerely, Solovox
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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by skymakai » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:55 pm

I've found that previous clip colors saved with the .asd files won't work anymore.

Here's the email I just sent:

Dear Ableton development team,

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for what you do.
I’ve been using Ableton Live as my primary production tool and DJ tool, for the greater part of the last decade. It’s brought me further in both endeavors than any other tool has done. I’ve been thankful for the new features added in each version, and the continuous focus on improving the experience.

However, I’m currently faced with a very frustrating experience, with a change… or rather, a feature which was removed from Live, in the 9.5 update. Clip color options no longer allow clips to retain their previous color setting, even when manually saved in the .asd file; When importing a song or audio file which I’ve already warped and saved settings for, the clip color is automatically changed to either the Track color (Automatic), or the clip color determined in Settings (Manual). The removal of this feature greatly impacts my workflow, as I’ve spent countless hours saving clip colors to help make sense of my clips in live use.

Please bring this feature back, as it seems like such a simple thing to re-impliment. Of course, also keep the option to color clips based on track color. That was a wonderful improvement to add.

Clip colors have, for years, been an overlooked feature in Live. I look forward to more improvements to clip color options, in the future.

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by solovox » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:13 pm

skymakai wrote:I've found that previous clip colors saved with the .asd files won't work anymore.

Here's the email I just sent:

Dear Ableton development team,

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for what you do.
I’ve been using Ableton Live as my primary production tool and DJ tool, for the greater part of the last decade. It’s brought me further in both endeavors than any other tool has done. I’ve been thankful for the new features added in each version, and the continuous focus on improving the experience.

However, I’m currently faced with a very frustrating experience, with a change… or rather, a feature which was removed from Live, in the 9.5 update. Clip color options no longer allow clips to retain their previous color setting, even when manually saved in the .asd file; When importing a song or audio file which I’ve already warped and saved settings for, the clip color is automatically changed to either the Track color (Automatic), or the clip color determined in Settings (Manual). The removal of this feature greatly impacts my workflow, as I’ve spent countless hours saving clip colors to help make sense of my clips in live use.

Please bring this feature back, as it seems like such a simple thing to re-impliment. Of course, also keep the option to color clips based on track color. That was a wonderful improvement to add.

Clip colors have, for years, been an overlooked feature in Live. I look forward to more improvements to clip color options, in the future.
Yikes! I didn't even realize this was happening as well. Fixing this is sounding more important than ever. I hope they are having a meeting about this right now. One can hope!
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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by oblique strategies » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:25 pm

skymakai wrote:I've found that previous clip colors saved with the .asd files won't work anymore.
This is the same bug I mentioned earlier. You'll be glad to know that Ableton are aware of it & are/will be working on it.

Here's the response I received from Ableton Support:
"The behaviour you describe is indeed a bug: any clip which is already saved with a color should of course keep this colour even when imported to a track of a different colour. We have filed this as a story for our developers and hope this can be fixed quickly."

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by skymakai » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:19 am

Thanks, eO.

I saw that it's been reported as a bug. I look forward to a fix. In the meanwhile, I'm seriously considering changing away from Live as my primary DJ software. Unfortunately, I'm seeing more and more... that Ableton is not focused on maintaining and focusing on features for the Live DJ.

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by staxxx » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:59 pm

Oh man!

I'm with everyone on this. I totally see the usefulness of the two new options for color assignment in 9.5, BUT BUT BUT! Losing random color assignment has really messed with my work flow.

I created a custom template with specific colors to kick start any new session. That template is null and void, my carefully chosen color scheme is gone. The specific problem is that there are only two alternatives and neither is acceptable for my needs.

Alternative 1) Live set new random colors - not helpful, since they are different every time I launch!!
Alternative 2) Use a pre-determined color for all new tracks. Also not helpful because, not only are all tracks the same color now, in both cases, all clips are assigned the same color as the track. I can't quickly differentiate between takes, variations, edits, or clips I've composed on one track and am mirroring on another track.

The whole thing has slowed me down. We should have a "legacy color" option, which sets everything back to the classic color assignment. I'm really surprised Ableton bungled on this feature!

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by skymakai » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:57 pm

I got word back from Ableton Support...

They said that the issue is a bug, and should be fixed in the next incremental update. And... if you save clips to your User Library, they should retain their color settings.

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by solovox » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:28 am

Okay Ableton--it's been a few weeks. How's this coming along? An Options.txt would be a perfectly acceptable solution for us if that works for you. :-)
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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by [art] » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:55 am

Looks like this was just re-implemented in the latest beta.

Really love how quick Abes are moving on things at the mo

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by Tarekith » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:24 am

Yes there's now an option for random clip colors again in the new beta, people in this thread can breath a sigh of relief now. :)

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by zeepster » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:26 pm

How about the "No Color" option??

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by foxymethoxy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:12 pm

zeepster wrote:How about the "No Color" option??
Yeah, I really want No Color option back!

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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by LFO8 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:37 pm

I would like it if clips also changed their color if I change the track color.
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Re: Poll: Bring back Auto-Assign Colors to pre-9.5 functionality

Post by tintala » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:29 pm

So ABes is saying they don't want to clutter the UI. adding an option to change the colors is not clutter! I have been assigning colors to different tracks since I started. I carefully choose colors schemes based on the "type" of track... it's simple. Now its gone.

I vote yes.

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