Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
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Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
or even by the sample, precisely? hugefully usefull when laying drums and/or most low-end heavy elements
where timephase is crucial. I find myself a bit handcuffed when trying to do such a surgical-precision
task in Live, and doing it with the grid OFF and with the mouse just beats the purpouse of preciselly landing
quickly on what will sound right.
When layering, the optimal workflow seems to quick-firing little sub-millisecond pushes to clips, precisely, until it sounds right.
I found this thread but I can't find anywhere if this has been addressed or not?
https://www.ableton.com/answers/nudge-c ... ement-view
where timephase is crucial. I find myself a bit handcuffed when trying to do such a surgical-precision
task in Live, and doing it with the grid OFF and with the mouse just beats the purpouse of preciselly landing
quickly on what will sound right.
When layering, the optimal workflow seems to quick-firing little sub-millisecond pushes to clips, precisely, until it sounds right.
I found this thread but I can't find anywhere if this has been addressed or not?
https://www.ableton.com/answers/nudge-c ... ement-view
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
How do you want to do this specifically?Grill Pheiss wrote:doing it with the grid OFF and with the mouse just beats the purpouse of preciselly landing
quickly on what will sound right.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Click on the "D" on the right side of the master channel in session view. This will open a tab at the bottom of every track that lets you shift the entire track forward or backward in milliseconds. Or maybe it's samples, I forgot what the number represents.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Whichever you want, just click on the "ms" or "Smp" next to the number to toggle.Tarekith wrote:Click on the "D" on the right side of the master channel in session view. This will open a tab at the bottom of every track that lets you shift the entire track forward or backward in milliseconds. Or maybe it's samples, I forgot what the number represents.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
It should be known that this affects all other tracks if you shift something early, i e with a minus value. If you shift one track with -7ms all other tracks are delayed 7ms. As I understand this must affect latency with the same amount. I used to do this years ago but stopped.Tarekith wrote:Click on the "D" on the right side of the master channel in session view. This will open a tab at the bottom of every track that lets you shift the entire track forward or backward in milliseconds. Or maybe it's samples, I forgot what the number represents.
Also the time shifts do not survive an export. Though you could rerecord I suppose.
In this case, this method appears as overkill as I think the OP seem to want to be able to do detailed editing rather than shift whole tracks in time. If I want 4 beats in one section to line up with another track I don't want to shift the whole track.
How about the nudge you do in Push? Can't the new Push 2 do this also with audio? And isn't there a third option if you zoom in without snap? Upgrading so can't check.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Grill Pheiss wrote:or even by the sample, precisely? hugefully usefull when laying drums and/or most low-end heavy elements
where timephase is crucial.
I use Waves inPhase for this though not for sections. I think you could do it on sections if you make a cut in the clip first or just have it active on the sections you want to slide. Certainly beats shifting the whole track with all that entails.
Nevertheless, I do think what you want is detailed micro editing, but you gotta be more clear.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Yes I'm aware of this, however not only does that have an implication on overall project latency response (try and experience it with a vsti and a usb keyboard) but thisTarekith wrote:Click on the "D" on the right side of the master channel in session view. This will open a tab at the bottom of every track that lets you shift the entire track forward or backward in milliseconds. Or maybe it's samples, I forgot what the number represents.
shifts entire tracks, not individual clips.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
YES, detailed micro editing of the timing of individual CLIPS with precision, and in a speedy way. Nudging has been around in every DAW for a while now, there's quite a few videos on thisStromkraft wrote:Grill Pheiss wrote:or even by the sample, precisely? hugefully usefull when laying drums and/or most low-end heavy elements
where timephase is crucial.
I use Waves inPhase for this though not for sections. I think you could do it on sections if you make a cut in the clip first or just have it active on the sections you want to slide. Certainly beats shifting the whole track with all that entails.
Nevertheless, I do think what you want is detailed micro editing, but you gotta be more clear.
on youtube I think
But it is not yet implemented in Live I believe
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
That depends. I'm nudging MIDI data all the time, but maybe not with sample or ms control. With audio there's warp editing. Again perhaps not with the level of control you'd like. And Finally I nudge on Push with what that entails.Grill Pheiss wrote:YES, detailed micro editing of the timing of individual CLIPS with precision, and in a speedy way. Nudging has been around in every DAW for a while now, there's quite a few videos on thisStromkraft wrote: Nevertheless, I do think what you want is detailed micro editing, but you gotta be more clear.
on youtube I think
But it is not yet implemented in Live I believe
What happens if you zoom in?
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Ok I see where the misunderstanding occurs -Stromkraft wrote:That depends. I'm nudging MIDI data all the time, but maybe not with sample or ms control. With audio there's warp editing. Again perhaps not with the level of control you'd like. And Finally I nudge on Push with what that entails.Grill Pheiss wrote:YES, detailed micro editing of the timing of individual CLIPS with precision, and in a speedy way. Nudging has been around in every DAW for a while now, there's quite a few videos on thisStromkraft wrote: Nevertheless, I do think what you want is detailed micro editing, but you gotta be more clear.
on youtube I think
But it is not yet implemented in Live I believe
What happens if you zoom in?
What I am refering to really is nudging clips in the arrangement view. the usages for this ability are countless but here's a common one : let's say you want to layer 3 kicks and adjust the alignement of one of the kicks in relationship to the 2 others.
-Doing it in the warp windows prevents you from seeing what's you're doing IN RELATIONSHIP to the 2 other kicks and can get confusing quickly. The ideal workflow is to nudge one kick and get immediate visual feedback of where you're moving the transient, in relationship to the others
-Doing it with the track delay function actually puts a toll on the latency response of the project AND also doesn't allow for individual adjustement for clips wich is needed if you're doing something else than adjusting LAYERS. And 0 visual feedback
-Doing it with the mouse is tedious and not as precise than by the super small increments of a Nudging function
-Doing it with a plugin also acts on the entire track, not individual clips, not usefull like I mentioned earlier if for example youre just playing with the musical timing of a part, and not
just doing some layering. And 0 visual feedback
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
+1 for nudge, please
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Grill Pheiss wrote:
Ok I see where the misunderstanding occurs -
What I am refering to really is nudging clips in the arrangement view.
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The ideal workflow is to nudge one kick and get immediate visual feedback of where you're moving the transient, in relationship to the others
This is how I work. I'm zooming in so that I see what I'm doing. That's why I asked you about this.
This is not correct as plug-ins listens to automation. They can be active with a certain setting in one clip, a bar, a 16th or whatever and with another setting somewhere else later or turned off completely.Grill Pheiss wrote: -Doing it with a plugin also acts on the entire track, not individual clips,
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
maybe so but it would still be a "hack" versus doing it quickly and efficiently with a dedicated function called "nudging"Stromkraft wrote:Grill Pheiss wrote:
Ok I see where the misunderstanding occurs -
What I am refering to really is nudging clips in the arrangement view.
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The ideal workflow is to nudge one kick and get immediate visual feedback of where you're moving the transient, in relationship to the others
This is how I work. I'm zooming in so that I see what I'm doing. That's why I asked you about this.
This is not correct as plug-ins listens to automation. They can be active with a certain setting in one clip, a bar, a 16th or whatever and with another setting somewhere else later or turned off completely.Grill Pheiss wrote: -Doing it with a plugin also acts on the entire track, not individual clips,
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Is this for realsies!? Holy cow... No wonder some of my tastiest grooves have lost their magic funk when I export :'(Stromkraft wrote:It should be known that this affects all other tracks if you shift something early, i e with a minus value. If you shift one track with -7ms all other tracks are delayed 7ms. As I understand this must affect latency with the same amount. I used to do this years ago but stopped.Tarekith wrote:Click on the "D" on the right side of the master channel in session view. This will open a tab at the bottom of every track that lets you shift the entire track forward or backward in milliseconds. Or maybe it's samples, I forgot what the number represents.
Also the time shifts do not survive an export. Though you could rerecord I suppose.
Is there REALLY still no way to nudge clips in arrangement view? Does anyone have a workaround that is good!? Using the mouse is so slow, and it's not even an advanced feature by any means... In Pro Tools you just selection the region, and boom, nudge by global nudge value which can be set at a seperate rate to the global quantization grid...
Please ableton pleeeeezz.
Is this adressed in 10??? You can nudge in clip edit view in ableton, just bring it to the arrangement view... I know there are a bunch of arrangement view enhancements happening in 10... I really hope this ages old much needed basic workflow function is implemented... Look at ableton reducing me to a whiney beetch.
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Re: Is there a way to nudge audio/midi clips by the millisecond
Yes, this is now very possible. You can't move a clip before 1.1.1 though.cmprvndncr wrote:
Is this adressed in 10??? You can nudge in clip edit view in ableton, just bring it to the arrangement view... I know there are a bunch of arrangement view enhancements happening in 10...
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