Collision reliable ??

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chapelier fou
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Collision reliable ??

Post by chapelier fou » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:50 pm

Hi,
i only recently started using Collision.
Sometimes it goes crazy and outputs massive nonsense of loud noise that almost kills me.
Does it happen elsewhere ?
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mrgrim3
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by mrgrim3 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:02 pm

yea in the manual for collision and tension it even says a warning because it could produce a very loud sound

"A word of caution: in many ways, Collision’s models are idealized versions of real-world objects. Consequently, it is very easy to program resonances that are much more sensitive to input than any physical resonator could be. Certain combinations of parameters can cause dramatic changes in volume. Make sure to keep output levels low when experimenting with new sounds. "

stringtapper
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by stringtapper » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:38 am

Yep. It's the nature of creating flexible physical modeling algorithms. Build in safety measures and you lose the flexibility. Leave out the safety measures and you have to be prepared for things occasionally blowing up.
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pencilrocket
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by pencilrocket » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:41 am

They made Live 9.5 physical modeling. So it crashes. Makes sense.
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chapelier fou
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by chapelier fou » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:33 am

To be clear i am absolutely aware of the resonance aspect, especially when you feed resonator 1 to resonator 2.
I am talking of sudden 'digital' bursts, and stuck notes.
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orionka
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by orionka » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:42 am

yes, same here... you open a live set containing a collision track and in some cases it produces this very loud digital noise when you hit Play. after that it works. I don't use it anymore.

chapelier fou
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by chapelier fou » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:22 am

Either this or a sudden stuck note sounding like a sawtooth at around 270 Hz.
Sending a liveset to support.
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orionka
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by orionka » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:34 am

chapelier fou wrote:Either this or a sudden stuck note sounding like a sawtooth at around 270 Hz.
Sending a liveset to support.
yes of course, sometimes also during a session...
if this gets fixed I would be happy, because I actually like collision.

chapelier fou
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by chapelier fou » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:53 am

You should write to support as well...
What are your computer specs ?
To be honest i discovered it recently and i am so amazed of the sounds i can get with it...
MacBook Pro 13" Retina i7 2.8 GHz OS 10.13, L10.0.1, M4L.
iMac 27" Retina i5 3,2 GHz OS 10.11.3 L10.0.1 M4L.

orionka
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by orionka » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:04 am

I'm on a mid 2012 MacBook Pro.... still 10.8.
It's an issue since the beginning (mid 2012 ;) ).
I will write them.

chapelier fou
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by chapelier fou » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:10 am

Well thank you !
i'll keep you posted.
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Re: Collision reliable ??

Post by pencilrocket » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:38 am

orionka wrote:I'm on a mid 2012 MacBook Pro.... still 10.8.
It's an issue since the beginning (mid 2012 ;) ).
I will write them.
wow... :mrgreen: What were they doing....
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