Rogue Amoeba Loopback (OS X only)...

[fishmonkey]

has anyone taken this for a spin yet?

https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/

[Machinesworking]

I've owned Audio HiJack forever, great program, but I have to say this is disappointing. Rogue Amoeba took over "stewardship" of of the free audio routing app Soundflower not too long ago from Cycling 74, then release basically a paid version of Soundflower. I think they got a bit greedy with the price considering their access to another companies code.

I'm sure it works great, Soundflower when it was being updated worked great.

[fishmonkey]

yeah, i think the price is too steep.

Dante Via is an alternative, depending on what kind of functionality you need...

[Machinesworking]

yeah, i think the price is too steep.

Dante Via is an alternative, depending on what kind of functionality you need...

Looking at Dante Via is there anything it can't do that Loopback can? Because right off, Via is cross platform, which is a huge bonus.

[fishmonkey]

Loopback is much more flexible, as you can create multiple virtual audio devices. inter-application routing in Dante Via is much more limited.

on the other hand Dante is a pro-level network interconnect system used in a lot of devices and venues.

Rogue Amoeba is a good dev, however they are firmly in the consumer audio camp. a while back i ran into a brick wall trying to find out what SRC algorithm they use in their Fission audio editor. they said it is a custom one that they designed and that it hasn't been compared with other algorithms. which is a bit strange really. who would design a custom SRC algorithm and not compare it with existing ones? makes no sense.

[Machinesworking]

Agreed, Fission feature wise is hellishly consumer market oriented. Love Audio Highjack though, great program, zero issues.

Two track editor wise I use DSP Quattro and hope that version 4 improves some minor issues I have with it.

[Machinesworking]

Pricing is also competitive. Loopback is $75,- intro price. Sure, Soundflower was free. But for 75,- you get a stable product with free updates and support for the future. With Soundflower could be a bit iffy; "Here is the latest version, remember this is free and open source, so if it f*cks your system; your own risk"

Not wanting to argue, but I paid for at least three upgrades for audio Hijack over the years. Granted I've owned Audio Highjack forever, just saying free updates is stretching it.

I was never a daily or even monthly user of Soundflower, but when I did it just worked, until Cycling abandoned it. It's just disappointing to pay that much for a program I don't use that often, especially when Audio Hijack was a whopping $19 when it came out, and they wrote all the code themselves with no semi open source code in their stewardship to examine.

When Audiophile Engineering came out with their two track editor they thought it was so great they tried charging $249 for it, it's $79 now, just saying.

[Machinesworking]

Not wanting to argue, but I paid for at least three upgrades for audio Hijack over the years. Granted I've owned Audio Highjack forever, just saying free updates is stretching it.

I think we can agree on the fact that Updates are a bit different from Upgrades.

Sure, why mention updates as being free then? What company makes you pay for updates?
I had to assume you were confusing the two, because mentioning updates being free as a good reason for a high price on a previously free application is kinda whack.

[Machinesworking]

Sure, why mention updates as being free then? What company makes you pay for updates?

Waves for one. And I was not implying that the price for the Loopback app is high. On the contrary.

Waves may be the only one, you're talking in circles here. Nobody could possibly think you think the price is too high, you're using nonsense stats like "free updates" as proof of the value offered.

I like Rogue Amoeba but this was as stupid of a pricing move IMO as Audiophile trying to sell their editor for $249. I had no problem telling Audiophile Engineering that when they announced it, and no problem telling Rogue the same. I think more people should be proactive about this sort of thing, especially when a company takes over free code, then raises the price to twice what the competition charges.

At $25-50 Rogue would literally have the entire audio community, hobbyist and professional alike on board, at $75-100 they cut 90% off of sales I would bet; they're literally cutting their own throats with their pricing.

[Machinesworking]

It's just disappointing to pay that much for a program I don't use that often.

Alright then, no worries. No one is forcing Loopback on you. Keep using Soundflower then for those rare times you use a program such as this. It's still available here: https://github.com/mattingalls/Soundflower

Just for search engines sake, since you missed what was said about Soundflower earlier. Soundflower pretty much doesn't work on anybodies system anymore, Jack OSX is working if you get the latest beta's.

[Stromkraft]

Sure, why mention updates as being free then? What company makes you pay for updates?

Waves for one. And I was not implying that the price for the Loopback app is high. On the contrary.

I think the price for Loopback is high, but if it's great then why not?

Side-note: You're not updated. Waves do not make you pay for updates. Major updates possibly, but typically many makers do that. The update plan is about resale permission, major updates and ongoing support (though support hinted to me I can always call them, hmmm), not incremental updates.

[Stromkraft]

inter-application routing in Dante Via is much more limited.

Audinate has been very clear to me in email communication that Dante Via only do stereo signals to any application on other machines, not within the same computer. Both the few channels — I was hoping for 16 — and no internal signal rerouting was a big let down for me.

[fishmonkey]

inter-application routing in Dante Via is much more limited.

Audient has been very clear to me in email communication that Dante Via only do stereo signals to any application on other machines, not within the same computer. Both the few channels — I was hoping for 16 — and no internal signal rerouting was a big let down for me.

i trialed Dante Via. you can connect to applications on the same computer, but the routing is relatively limited. you can patch inputs to a single aggregated Dante Via virtual device, which other applications can then use as an input. Loopback supports multiple virtual devices.

the big upside of Dante Via is being able to seamlessly connect in a Dante-based environment.

btw, the company is Audinate...

[[jur]]

Don't forget the great and free Soundflower.

[Machinesworking]

Don't forget the great and free Soundflower.

It's dead. Has not been updated in years, works on very few systems anymore, and was last under Rogue Amebas stewardship.