New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
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New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
Anyone else notice this? I just did some tests and it seems like the only way to get it to squelch is using the old clean filter....the new ones have no squelch at all....
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
Nope. The total opposite. OSR screams, clean do not. Don't use this much though.Inversoundzzz wrote:Anyone else notice this? I just did some tests and it seems like the only way to get it to squelch is using the old clean filter....the new ones have no squelch at all....
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
what test are u doing? im doing thisStromkraft wrote:Nope. The total opposite. OSR screams, clean do not. Don't use this much though.Inversoundzzz wrote:Anyone else notice this? I just did some tests and it seems like the only way to get it to squelch is using the old clean filter....the new ones have no squelch at all....
macro 1 filter type
mac 2 cutoff
mac3 resonance
mac4 saturation
im turning the resonance to 50%, then slowly turning the cutoff from 0-100% fort each filter type......and the only one that creates the resonance is the clean one....all the others jsut open the fitlter....it's like the resonance knob does nothing..
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
I can get some nice screams with all the new filters too.
Also just did a test and I can certainly get some self-resonanation at the higher levels too.
Question - are you using a low pass filter or the default morph filter?
Also just did a test and I can certainly get some self-resonanation at the higher levels too.
Question - are you using a low pass filter or the default morph filter?
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
All I do is using a low pass and turning up the resonance.Inversoundzzz wrote:what test are u doing? im doing thisStromkraft wrote:Nope. The total opposite. OSR screams, clean do not. Don't use this much though.Inversoundzzz wrote:Anyone else notice this? I just did some tests and it seems like the only way to get it to squelch is using the old clean filter....the new ones have no squelch at all....
macro 1 filter type
mac 2 cutoff
mac3 resonance
mac4 saturation
im turning the resonance to 50%, then slowly turning the cutoff from 0-100% fort each filter type......and the only one that creates the resonance is the clean one....all the others jsut open the fitlter....it's like the resonance knob does nothing..
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
All I do is using a low pass and turning up the resonance.[/quote]
yea, me too, (also you can only choose two filters, clean or OSR when the morph filtertype is chosen) i just dont think we are talking about the same thing....because only the clean filter with lowpass creates additional harmonics due tot he resonance.....im not sure what you are hearing.....
yea, me too, (also you can only choose two filters, clean or OSR when the morph filtertype is chosen) i just dont think we are talking about the same thing....because only the clean filter with lowpass creates additional harmonics due tot he resonance.....im not sure what you are hearing.....
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
I also hear all of the filters squelch with slight tone changes depending on the model. Inversoundzz, can you post an example video of what you are doing?
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
OP, you say you're using macros - are you using a racked Operator? have you tried with an unracked Operator and set the controls directly? If the rack was made pre-9.5, then the resonance macro will only be at 83% at max when you press the 'upgrade' button.
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i f•••ing LOVE Operator and have used it for many years but since 9.5 it's been screwed.
Ableton seems to have shoehorned in the new filters without making the proper adjustments to make them work correctly, and they changed the filter smoothing behavior when cutoff is automated - making the filters sound sloppy and unresponsive. Andy from Cytomic mentioned in another post how there's also an issue where Operator's Osc gains going into the filter isnt high enough. Maybe that's also why the resonance seems to drop out under certain freqs.
to see just how broken it can be, try this very basic patch: BASIC PATCH DL
the resonance of the filter sounds completely uncoupled from the filter's envelope and so it rings out at full volume for however long the Osc's release time is – change Osc A's release time and the resonance will ring for that long and then end abruptly, and there's currently no way to change this.
i wonder if Mr. Henke still uses it?
[related rant]
i f•••ing LOVE Operator and have used it for many years but since 9.5 it's been screwed.
Ableton seems to have shoehorned in the new filters without making the proper adjustments to make them work correctly, and they changed the filter smoothing behavior when cutoff is automated - making the filters sound sloppy and unresponsive. Andy from Cytomic mentioned in another post how there's also an issue where Operator's Osc gains going into the filter isnt high enough. Maybe that's also why the resonance seems to drop out under certain freqs.
to see just how broken it can be, try this very basic patch: BASIC PATCH DL
the resonance of the filter sounds completely uncoupled from the filter's envelope and so it rings out at full volume for however long the Osc's release time is – change Osc A's release time and the resonance will ring for that long and then end abruptly, and there's currently no way to change this.
i wonder if Mr. Henke still uses it?
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while playing with operator to answer the OP's concern, I stumbled into this weird behavior too! I guess that we have to file a bug report in the cntercode area, if it does not exist yet. Garyboozy, could you post your patch and a descriptin of the problem in the centercode area? If not, I could do it, this is an annoying issue.garyboozy wrote:OP, you say you're using macros - are you using a racked Operator? have you tried with an unracked Operator and set the controls directly? If the rack was made pre-9.5, then the resonance macro will only be at 83% when 'upgraded'
[related rant]
i f•••ing LOVE Operator and have used it for many years but since 9.5 it's been screwed.
Ableton seems to have shoehorned in the new filters without making the proper adjustments to make them work correctly, and they changed the filter smoothing behavior when cutoff is automated - making the filters sound sloppy and unresponsive. Andy from Cytomic mentioned in another post how there's also an issue where Operator's Osc gains going into the filter isnt high enough. Maybe that's also why the resonance seems to drop out under certain freqs.
to see just how broken it can be, try this very basic patch: BASIC PATCH DL
the resonance of the filter sounds completely uncoupled from the filter's envelope and so it rings out at full volume for however long the Osc's release time is – change Osc A's release time and the resonance will ring for that long and then end abruptly, and there's currently no way to change this.
i wonder if Mr. Henke still uses it?
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
I've reported these issues already (with example projects etc), and Andy @ Cytomic has been onto the devs too, so Ableton know all about Operator's current shortcomings. Just have to wait.moscom_musik wrote:while playing with operator to answer the OP's concern, I stumbled into this weird behavior too! I guess that we have to file a bug report in the cntercode area, if it does not exist yet. Garyboozy, could you post your patch and a descriptin of the problem in the centercode area? If not, I could do it, this is an annoying issue.
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
Ok thanks, yea, sorry stromkraft, i wasnt trying to be difficult lel, yea you guys are right they do have resonance.
The reason why it wasnt resonant was because i had the Filter Drive set to 24dB (max) . I dont expect it to be resonant all the way up to that really.....the filters have tons of growl and squelch yea
The reason why it wasnt resonant was because i had the Filter Drive set to 24dB (max) . I dont expect it to be resonant all the way up to that really.....the filters have tons of growl and squelch yea
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the Filter Drive for the new filters is pretty useless it seems like
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i guess i put it on max and thought that would really bring out the squelches but seems to kill them...instead....
but[/b] the old Shaper Drive on 100% "Hard" 12dB (max) woahhhh the SMP and PRD really sound nasty in a good way...hehe
actually, if you add just a touch of the new Filter Drive on top of what i said then it does add something.....but the +24dB seems to just squish everything
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i guess i put it on max and thought that would really bring out the squelches but seems to kill them...instead....
but[/b] the old Shaper Drive on 100% "Hard" 12dB (max) woahhhh the SMP and PRD really sound nasty in a good way...hehe
actually, if you add just a touch of the new Filter Drive on top of what i said then it does add something.....but the +24dB seems to just squish everything
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
Inversoundzzz wrote:the Filter Drive for the new filters is pretty useless it seems like
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i guess i put it on max and thought that would really bring out the squelches but seems to kill them...instead....
but[/b] the old Shaper Drive on 100% "Hard" 12dB (max) woahhhh the SMP and PRD really sound nasty in a good way...hehe
actually, if you add just a touch of the new Filter Drive on top of what i said then it does add something.....but the +24dB seems to just squish everything
I think the drive really adds color from the various models to the sound...as well as some distortion/harmonics for sure
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The Standard Operator settings to make up for the shortcomings of the old filter can still be put to good use. I love these new filters in Sampler and Auto-filter, but so far they feel somewhat cosmetic in both Simpler and Operator. Maybe it's the context.Inversoundzzz wrote:Shaper Drive on 100% "Hard" 12dB (max)
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Re: New Operator filters aren't resonant at all
If you increase the input signal level with any analog filter this happens. Try it out with your favourite analog modular filters or any analog synths with external audio input and then boost the signal by +24 dB and you will hear the same thing, it drowns out the resonance. If you want more resonance then decrease the input signal level and you will hear it clearly self oscillate. Somewhere in the middle is where you get the growl with the input signal fighting with the resonance, this is the sweet spot.Inversoundzzz wrote:the Filter Drive for the new filters is pretty useless it seems like
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i guess i put it on max and thought that would really bring out the squelches but seems to kill them...instead....
actually, if you add just a touch of the new Filter Drive on top of what i said then it does add something.....but the +24dB seems to just squish everything
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