Inversoundzzz wrote:it does though....i'm not talking about it in a literal way, but in a deeper philosphical way....you begin to see that all of music is just intervals....you can call them major or minor or diminshed etc....but those are just names and labels.
Well I'm talking about actual musical intervals. Not some philosophical idea.
It's clear that everything you know about music theory has come from the internet, which has no guarantee of quality control, so I'm going to give you a pass here. But there are a couple of things that should be addressed.
Inversoundzzz wrote:I just know the way i learned which I learned the circle of 5ths first....and then I kind of went backwards learning what scales were then modes etc......and then i just kind naturally just knew what intervals were.....
What exactly do you think the "5ths" in the Circle of 5ths stands for?
Hint:
it's an interval.
So you didn't just "naturally" know what intervals were afterwards. You were learning about intervals when you studied the Circle of 5ths, you just didn't realize it. One of the biggest strengths of Circle of 5ths as a pedagogical tool is that it shows interval relationships between keys and chords.
Inversoundzzz wrote:i'm not talking about knowing that C to C# is a minor 2nd...and that C to D is a major 2nd
i'm talking about a real physical aural understanding of it...that takes a long time to develop...
Again, this also isn't some deeper aspect of learning music theory. This is what we call ear training, and we teach it concurrently with the written theory in university music programs. Being able to aurally identify musical concepts is just as fundamental as recognizing them intellectually. Identifying intervals by ear is pretty much Step 1 in the college aural skills and sight singing courses I teach, and those courses run concurrently with the written theory courses. Students learn it from the beginning.
Inversoundzzz wrote:but in a practical sense, on this ableton forum...if someone asks me how to understand chords i will not tell them to learn intervals....that is just over complicating it. and is completely useless advice. they musst learn scales first....because that is what is practical and helpful to them.....
Sorry, but what you're saying here makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Understanding intervals is "useless advice" when it comes to understanding chords?
That's news to me. And to the entire world of music theory instruction, btw.
How does one even understand how a chord is constructed without understanding what major and minor 3rds are? How could one understand the difference between a major triad and a minor triad if they don't even understand the difference between a major 3rd and a minor 3rd?
They can't.
It sounds to me like you learned in a certain sequence from a few websites and now you can't see any other way to do it. I also have to question whether you really understand intervals yourself if you would go so far as to say something like "intervals are useless to understanding chords." I don't mean to be harsh, but that's just non-sensical.
Anyway, you've gone back and forth between conceding the point and then turning around and saying learning intervals is "incorrect" so I'm not even sure what your position is at this point.
I just know the way i learned which I learned the circle of 5ths first....and then I kind of went backwards learning what scales were then modes etc......and then i just kind naturally just knew what intervals were.....but it was more like an overall deeper thing....that the note names and scale names and mode names were all just meaningless...and that it was all just interval relationships.
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