Ableton live vs Cubase sx 3

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Shoma
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Ableton live vs Cubase sx 3

Post by Shoma » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:25 pm

Okay, i dont wanna start a war. I just saved money and i want a good DAW. I was making music with FruityLoops. but fruiy eats almost all my CPU and its very unstable, it keeps crashing.

I need a good and stable DAW.

Please any recommendations?

I see a lot of ppl rewire Live with Cubase/Logic. Why??? cant u do the same in just Cubase?

Your help would be great! :)

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Post by louZ » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:28 pm

this is like comparing George Bush with someone with a brain...

Ablebrain all the way!
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Post by AdamJay » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:43 pm

no one can recommend Live 5 yet (which is more of a competitor as a DAW than Live 4), because its still in beta.


wait one more month and then ask this question again.
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Post by hoffman2k » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:50 pm

I recommend to buy live 4 :wink:

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Post by rikhyray » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:56 pm

2 are excellent but different, download trial versions and then decide what works better for you. I was Cubase user, hardly open it anymore since Live suits me better. Regarding rewiring the 2 dont know what for, I did rewire each to Reason but there was no need to rewire Live/Cubase ( could be usefull while working with videos)

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Post by Tarekith » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:19 pm

I still use both, Live 5 will be a great, but there's a lot of things SX can do that live still can't. Do a search, I'd rather not repeat my list yet again. ;)
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Post by Martyn » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:20 pm

One is like drinking from a stagnant pool of old water, the other is like drinking from a refreshing mountain stream that's steadily turning into a waterfall!

With Live, you're buying into something that's increasing, with Cubase you're getting a tried, tested and well worn method, definate advantages for some things, but quickly starting to feel very old fashioned as a software paradigm.

That's how it feels to me, but then I am a little biased.

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Post by jahnlay » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:26 am

I have both and much prefer working in Live, even though I haven't even tried 5 yet.
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Post by elemental » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:30 am

For me, the one thing I still go back to SX for is Groove Quantize.

Everything else will be catered for in Live 5.

In terms of workflow, creativity etc Live cant be beat.

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Post by tribalogical » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:19 pm

First off, IMO, there really is no "vs" in this scenario... they are very different apps in both their approach and workflow for music-making, and they manage things very differently. End results often reflect that as well... It would be my advice to first look closely at what your needs are, what you want to accomplish and how... then match the app to those needs?

I use both Live and SX. I quite like both, and my workflow really reflects that... I've gotten tremendous benefit from developing a working process using both apps.

Live has become my de-facto "sketchbook"... whenever new compositions are birthing, that's what I reach for first. As well, when jamming with other (digital) musicians, it's the bomb as a collaborative platform. You simply can't improvise in an app like SX the way you can with Live... that's one of the key things about it that makes it so great.....

Usually though, when I'm ready to progress further, meaning, seriously build on those initial ideas, get into deeper mixing, synch to video, etc. (post-production, basically), that's when Cubase comes into play. I either move the audio tracks over to Cubase via export/import, or rewire into SX..... I have to say that generally the sound quality of the mixes in SX (and my end results) are clearly superior.

That said, I couldn't tell you as clearly WHY that is... :) Whether it's just a function of the user interface (a certain kind of 'usability nuance' can indeed impact on one's workflow and end results), or simply how the apps handle audio, I couldn't really say.... it really may just come down to how the apps "work" for me as an individual user...

This is not to say it can't all be done in Live exclusively. I have pieces that never left Live, start to finish, and I'm completely satisfied with them..... so it can definitely be used for complete projects, end to end.

If I had to choose between them as a start point, then I'd probably recommend starting with Live, and 'graduating' to a full-featured DAW later as the need arises (e.g. a more "formal" mixing environment, post-production tools, etc.). There are things you can do very efficiently in apps like SX, Logic, or DP, that just don't fit in the workflow as nicely using Live's approach....

Anyway, I think Live is a great tool, and can fit the bill nicely as a "first DAW".... and this will only be strengthened with v5.....

Again though, identify your needs first, then find the best fitting app... do that and you won't go wrong....

just my two cents, hope it helps! :)

peace,
tribalogical

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