Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
Hey guys,
I'm not one usually to ask these kind of questions, but I've been looking into buying a pioneer Toriaz sp-16 and wondered what your thoughts were on it, as a live performance tool. It's a pretty big investment, so I was hoping to get some thoughts on it.
Thanks.
I'm not one usually to ask these kind of questions, but I've been looking into buying a pioneer Toriaz sp-16 and wondered what your thoughts were on it, as a live performance tool. It's a pretty big investment, so I was hoping to get some thoughts on it.
Thanks.
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
you might want to check/ask in the Gearslutz electronic music forum, there's a loooong thread on it over there.
Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
Ok thanks.
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
Played with it at BPM, thought it was awesome!
Cheers
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Cheers
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
In what way? Is it really worth £1200 (in your opinion)?S4racen wrote:thought it was awesome!
Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
To unhook the computer totally and have that quality of instrument yes...
In comparison you can pretty much do everything with the Push and Live but i liked the pads a lot more because of their size and the whole editing element was really smooth...
It is version 1 though and already there's been firmware updates to fix things like sync etc...
Would advise getting hands on!
Cheers
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In comparison you can pretty much do everything with the Push and Live but i liked the pads a lot more because of their size and the whole editing element was really smooth...
It is version 1 though and already there's been firmware updates to fix things like sync etc...
Would advise getting hands on!
Cheers
D
Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
Decided to pull the trigger.
I wanna start trying to get away from the computer more....
I wanna start trying to get away from the computer more....
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
i would have been interested a lil bit but the sampling side is cumbersome.. have to select a pad, sample it, then save it and only then use it..
not being able to sample directly to an open pad and loop immediately is like so 2010...lol
not being able to sample directly to an open pad and loop immediately is like so 2010...lol
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Yeah there's a couple things I expect to improve with updates.....
This is a good gamble for me tho, I've been finishing seventy percent of my tracks using a feeltune rhizome for the last 2 two years, and that product is no where near as complete, but it gave me the closest feeling to being "unplugged"
This is a good gamble for me tho, I've been finishing seventy percent of my tracks using a feeltune rhizome for the last 2 two years, and that product is no where near as complete, but it gave me the closest feeling to being "unplugged"
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
For those interested:
18 October, 2016
Planned updates to the TORAIZ SP-16 from November 2016
You've asked and we listened. We're working hard behind the scenes to add more features. Look out for these updates coming soon.
NOVEMBER 2016 RELEASE:
MIDI: In/out control added for integration with musical instruments and DAWs.
LFO: TRACK modulation for various parameters.
NEW EFFECTS: Lo-Fi, Distortion and Compressor for TRACK INSERT FX and MASTER FX*.
RENDER AUDIO: Render PROJECT to .WAV as separate tracks/groups/mix.
SET SLICE: Precisely edit slice points.
EARLY 2017 RELEASE:
LIVE SAMPLING/LOOPER: Record/overdub and play input signal on the fly/live.
SET SCALE: Change the PAD SCALE MODE for SAMPLE and MIDI TRACKs.
DAVE SMITH ANALOG FILTER: Control over individual TRACKs and not just MASTER OUT.
NEW EFFECTS: More added (TBC).
*Change from SEND FX to MASTER FX.
TORAIZ SP-16 PLANNED VERSION
PAD
Function List Launch Update Update
Ver.1.1 Ver.1.2 Ver.1.3
Early Aug, 2016 mid-Nov, 2016 Early 2017
SLICE (Simplified*) (Full*) (Full*)
SCALE (Simplified*) (Simplified*) (Full*)
TRACK
18 October, 2016
Planned updates to the TORAIZ SP-16 from November 2016
You've asked and we listened. We're working hard behind the scenes to add more features. Look out for these updates coming soon.
NOVEMBER 2016 RELEASE:
MIDI: In/out control added for integration with musical instruments and DAWs.
LFO: TRACK modulation for various parameters.
NEW EFFECTS: Lo-Fi, Distortion and Compressor for TRACK INSERT FX and MASTER FX*.
RENDER AUDIO: Render PROJECT to .WAV as separate tracks/groups/mix.
SET SLICE: Precisely edit slice points.
EARLY 2017 RELEASE:
LIVE SAMPLING/LOOPER: Record/overdub and play input signal on the fly/live.
SET SCALE: Change the PAD SCALE MODE for SAMPLE and MIDI TRACKs.
DAVE SMITH ANALOG FILTER: Control over individual TRACKs and not just MASTER OUT.
NEW EFFECTS: More added (TBC).
*Change from SEND FX to MASTER FX.
TORAIZ SP-16 PLANNED VERSION
PAD
Function List Launch Update Update
Ver.1.1 Ver.1.2 Ver.1.3
Early Aug, 2016 mid-Nov, 2016 Early 2017
SLICE (Simplified*) (Full*) (Full*)
SCALE (Simplified*) (Simplified*) (Full*)
TRACK
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Re: Thoughts on purchase - pioneer Toriaz sp-16
I have Push 2 and Maschine (over the years every Maschine controller). I tried the MPC Live bc I was in search of the live layering over my dj set in a standalone box. What I wanted was the Maschine workflow, so MPC didn't work for me. When I read the specs on the SP16 I thought it sounded like a lot of cash for a low-spec device & shrugged it off.
Well, now I have the SP16 and the AS1 on my desk and, ya know, despite the low specs and limitations - these products are FUN and they just WORK.
I think Pioneer should develop the v2 with a decent MCS backbone, more RAM, a BATTERY and the option for an internal SSD sample drive (like the MPC Live). If they are willing to invest in this, I think it'll destroy the MPC live and it'll give Maschine a serious run for the money. One FX slot per pad, 32 second sample limit - all sounded TERRIBLE to me. Then I realized you can work around all of it.
I'd like to see the ability to chain patterns together for playback, like the AIRA products, but for now this is great. I can work with Ableton or Maschine to get a project rolling, bounce it to the Toraiz, add the AS1 layer over the project, and set it up next to my Dj set for live fun.
Give it a try!
Well, now I have the SP16 and the AS1 on my desk and, ya know, despite the low specs and limitations - these products are FUN and they just WORK.
I think Pioneer should develop the v2 with a decent MCS backbone, more RAM, a BATTERY and the option for an internal SSD sample drive (like the MPC Live). If they are willing to invest in this, I think it'll destroy the MPC live and it'll give Maschine a serious run for the money. One FX slot per pad, 32 second sample limit - all sounded TERRIBLE to me. Then I realized you can work around all of it.
I'd like to see the ability to chain patterns together for playback, like the AIRA products, but for now this is great. I can work with Ableton or Maschine to get a project rolling, bounce it to the Toraiz, add the AS1 layer over the project, and set it up next to my Dj set for live fun.
Give it a try!
#livefullycharged