Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Im trying to avoid having to buy a bridge for my older 32bit plugins.
Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
No 32 bit support.
Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
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Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Kill 32bits already, soon OS won't support it, time to let it go.
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Some 32 bit plugins are irreplaceable, for example TC Electronic plugs from Konnekt series (Fabrik C, Fabrik R) – they use TC Electronic hardware, but only come in 32 bit versions. They produce stunning quality effects.login wrote:Kill 32bits already, soon OS won't support it, time to let it go.
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Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
The idea is to find replacements and move on. Either that, or keep an old, old machine around until it fall apart (synth owner) and you can start repair it. There is a cost maintaining 32bit. How much varies of course.locojohn wrote:Some 32 bit plugins are irreplaceable, for example TC Electronic plugs from Konnekt series (Fabrik C, Fabrik R) – they use TC Electronic hardware, but only come in 32 bit versions. They produce stunning quality effects.login wrote:Kill 32bits already, soon OS won't support it, time to let it go.
Make some music!
Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
I am not talking about full support for 32 bit plugs, but rather about a native Ableton built in bridge to allow to continue using 32 bit plugs in their new 64 bit host. Perhaps, there's not even much maintenance cost for the native plugin bridge, just look at how often jBridge is updated.Stromkraft wrote:The idea is to find replacements and move on. Either that, or keep an old, old machine around until it fall apart (synth owner) and you can start repair it. There is a cost maintaining 32bit. How much varies of course.
Anyway, I think Ableton is unlikely to implement it sadly.
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Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
'Cost' comes in many flavors. There's dev cost, then the cost of customer service for all the various scenarios where it doesn't work out. But that's direct expenses.
There is also the price or sacrifice of keeping something old that must keep up with their newer system. By officially supporting both 32 and 64 bit plugs they can't eventually decide to drop 32 bit support and it can come at the expense of efficiency in their program.
By leaving it essentially the way it currently is, people who are eager enough to do a workaround can do so at their own risk and if people have issues it won't be something people will feel as inclined to nag Ableton support about.
There is also the price or sacrifice of keeping something old that must keep up with their newer system. By officially supporting both 32 and 64 bit plugs they can't eventually decide to drop 32 bit support and it can come at the expense of efficiency in their program.
By leaving it essentially the way it currently is, people who are eager enough to do a workaround can do so at their own risk and if people have issues it won't be something people will feel as inclined to nag Ableton support about.
Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Things are moving forwards, that's just how it is.
My own strategy, for years, is to stick on to native Live/M4L content. The day Ableton will go bankrupt I'm down too, but...
OS are also going 64 bit only. Mini-disks are dead.
My own strategy, for years, is to stick on to native Live/M4L content. The day Ableton will go bankrupt I'm down too, but...
OS are also going 64 bit only. Mini-disks are dead.
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Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Going forward means sometimes loosing some, and gain some - that is how progression works......[jur] wrote:Things are moving forwards, that's just how it is.
Mini-disks are dead.
I feel sorry for 32 bit plugin owners, but it is over by now, and we must live with it. Making music isn't always cheap to, and I have had beatifull software that went obsolete thru the years.......
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Re: Will Live 10 be able to use 32 bit plugins?
Yeah, like the cost of moving on from abelton cuz they wont implement one of the most desired features, one that built a new market around vst bridges instead of solving it like others.yur2die4 wrote:'Cost' comes in many flavors.
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kernelk wrote:Yeah, like the cost of moving on from ableton cuz they wont implement one of the most desired features, one that built a new market around vst bridges instead of solving it like others.yur2die4 wrote:'Cost' comes in many flavors.
Far from being "the most desired", certainly I don't care and judging by the 100 pages on this topic the majority of forum users neither.
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Yep, same here. Cost of moving forward and this wasn't an overnight thing, the migration from 32/64 bit has been over a decade in the making and most developers have moved with the times.login wrote:kernelk wrote:Yeah, like the cost of moving on from ableton cuz they wont implement one of the most desired features, one that built a new market around vst bridges instead of solving it like others.yur2die4 wrote:'Cost' comes in many flavors.
Far from being "the most desired", certainly I don't care and judging by the 100 pages on this topic the majority of forum users neither.
What plugins that are 32bit only are so important to your work?
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Reaper and Bitwig have built-in bit-bridging and it works perfect. Really perfect!
So dont tell me this shit that it's "moving forward".
Its just lazy engineering and driving development costs down to increase the income for an old product and to decrease support-costs too.
Thats the main reason I left Ableton Live when I saw that they drop the 32-bit support in L10 and happily moved to Bitwig for creative writing.
To each their own, but don#t look for bad excuses as to why it's not there and try to justify that!
A lot of amazing free plugins ("Variety of Sound" anyone??) are 32-bit only for example!
So dont tell me this shit that it's "moving forward".
Its just lazy engineering and driving development costs down to increase the income for an old product and to decrease support-costs too.
Thats the main reason I left Ableton Live when I saw that they drop the 32-bit support in L10 and happily moved to Bitwig for creative writing.
To each their own, but don#t look for bad excuses as to why it's not there and try to justify that!
A lot of amazing free plugins ("Variety of Sound" anyone??) are 32-bit only for example!