holy detailed post. It reminds me of this article.nathannn wrote:snip
https://venturebeat.com/2016/10/25/why- ... e-ballmer/
Trendy companies have something in common.
holy detailed post. It reminds me of this article.nathannn wrote:snip
Stromkraft is generous at helping people and generous he is at pissing off people.jamief wrote:Emotionally useless irrespective of any technical ability or know how. Superiority and persecution complex next please - bizarre.
Stromkraft wrote:@chuckthetoast and @fisto, your future DAW plans and your personal life choices are totally uninteresting. These are the user forums not your psychological counselling group. We don't need to know these things.
Also, it's "obsolete".
Bye, bye!
This has already been executed. Just delete the offending messages already.[jur] wrote:Stromkraft is generous at helping people and generous he is at pissing off people.jamief wrote:Emotionally useless irrespective of any technical ability or know how. Superiority and persecution complex next please - bizarre.
Stromkraft wrote:A comment directed to @chuckthetoast and @fisto was [deleted by Stromkraft].
Please ignore him from now on, we might need to discuss for a solution with [erm] I think.
[jur] wrote:Stromkraft is generous at helping people and generous he is at pissing off people.jamief wrote:Emotionally useless irrespective of any technical ability or know how. Superiority and persecution complex next please - bizarre.
Stromkraft wrote:@chuckthetoast and @fisto, your future DAW plans and your personal life choices are totally uninteresting. These are the user forums not your psychological counselling group. We don't need to know these things.
Also, it's "obsolete".
Bye, bye!
Please ignore him from now on, we might need to discuss for a solution with [erm] I think.
@Stromkraft, please try and tone things down a little (maybe even the size of your Waves signature ). This is the second or third time I have seen you have to cull your responses and I would hate to see the knowledgeable input you DO provide be drowned out by these personal-view bickering fests and this is what I was alluding to with my post the other day where we solved the chaps question and it didn't need any further input for the sake of it.Stromkraft wrote:OK, I'm cleaning my posts. I'm sorry about this, Jamief and others…
Later: OK, edited away unnecessary language. It's up to the posters that included quotes from the previous unedited versions, or to the administrators, to edit also the quotes.
OK, point taken. Let's now get back to the subject matter of this discussion. Which I believe is disappointment with the Live 10 update. I think I'll stay out of the way so it's totally safe to share.jestermgee wrote: @Stromkraft, please try and tone things down a little (maybe even the size of your Waves signature :D ).
This is exactly our concern.jestermgee wrote:Lets not see another "funken" situation here (joke at the mods/older folks who will know that name very well).
Now that you mention him... what was the straw that broke the camel's back... besides everything?[jur] wrote:I miss Funken so much
A larger portion of Live's built in plug ins are from third parties, The Glue, AAS, and the recent acquisition of Cycling 74 all have added cost compared to Logic or Cubase etc.nathannn wrote: Hey, Machinesworking!
I Agree with your first point, but the second one I am having trouble understanding.
What daw does not come with a suite of plugins nowadays? Like you said with Logic or Cubase the upgrade cost is much cheaper than Live and they are both feature rich daws. Logic has offered many free upgrades and comes with some excellent plugins and a wave table synth.
Most upgrades from most DAW manufacturers are not extreme improvements but a series of incremental upgrades; if those upgrades don't appeal to you then the upgrade will seem weak. I didn't jump on 9 because a lot of things it brought did not appeal to me, but I will upgrade to 10 right away, because they do.I personally dont see a major upgrade when I view the new specs of Live 10. Live has a session view, but is lacking so many features that are essential to a modern daw. At this point it seems wiser just to use Live Standard for the session view and another daw for the real production work.
It really makes me wonder what the people at Ableton are thinking for the future if they are so behind in the present. Live could at least use a major overhal to its 17 year old UI. Users have posted mock ups to give Ableton Ideas and Ableton just adds a few curves here and there and flattens the transport.
Explain, that doesn't make any sense as a stand alone sentence.Still no editing of clips within session view.
I think it's obvious by now Ableton aren't bending to anyones concerns with the GUI.Same UI that is no longer future or modern looking.
There is time signature detection, if you mean tempo map taken from information embedded in the file I get you there.No chord tracks
No Modern tempo mapping (look at cubase or melodyne)
No Time signature detection
No plug ins to add variation to the tempo
No ARA
NO custom commands
No Take Tracks
No pitch correction
I generally don't use much embedded plug ins so I don't share those concerns, but I have to admit the new Wavetable and Echo are really very useful and I'm using them. Max for Live is miles above what other DAWs offer in terms of modular systems, I get it being a niche thing to some, but it is a huge feature to others in terms of Live VS other DAWs. Basically, if Max For Live isn't for you, and you do not look at the new plug ins, then you will think other DAWs are better etc. Don't know what to tell you? Live Suite offers a huge amount of plug in and sample content, it's not all useful to me, but to deny it's useful doesn't make too much sense to me.and then there is the lack of modern plugin content
No change to a very simple and strange take on amp simulation
No professional acoustic drum kit
No built in stereo reverb
No built in surround
No built in electronic drum kit.
No Modern Analog sounding synthesizers, AAS instruments were made in different era that required low cpu usage and really are not up to par
Almost every daw has a plug in that can emulate a ssl bus compressor.
Some people do find max for live to be very useful but should it really be used as a replacement for plugins that are integrated in other daws?
Not even slightly convincing acoustic instrument samples.
No change to the THREE band "Multi" band compression? Why couldn't they add unlimited bands?
No additional macro's added to racks
All of this comes down to what you personally find useful or not useful with this upgrade. Capture is cool to me, but I'm all in about the Push 2 usability in Rewire slave mode, SysEx, Wavetable and general tweaks to the UI. Would I have liked to see MPE and/or poly aftertouch, more key commands, and and simple way to expand the MIDI clip editor to full screen with a key command instead of click dragging every dammed time?? Yes, but for some reason that last one isn't much of a concern to most Live users while it drives me batshit crazy to have to resize a window all the time. So I accept that it's not happening in Live and when I do complex MIDI work that requires a lot of editing I use other DAWs...No upgrade to the heavily used rack system
All I am really seeing in this upgrade is the addition of capture recording, some browser tweeks and minor changes to the ui.
Ableton Live was the first daw I really clicked with and I loved it, it was the future and continued to be innovative for years, but it seems like all that came to a halt with the release of Live 9. I really hope they dont go down the Propellerheads Path.