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 Post subject: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:00 pm 

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Hello all,

I'm new to Ableton (and digital music production in general), and have been having an issue with ASIO sound. My setup is a Monologue running into a Soundcraft Notepad-8FX mixer, connected to my Windows 10 laptop through usb. When I use Soundcraft ASIO driver in Ableton, I'm able to record, but can't hear anything on playback, or very very quiet playback despite having no gain adjustments on the track. I know the sound is recording normally, as if I switch to the MME driver, the sound recorded using ASIO plays back at a normal volume. I've made sure that no other programs are using sound, and disabled exclusive mode in windows sound setting as well.

This may be a dumb question, but should I be plugging my headphones into the computer port or the headphone port on my mixer? I hear the very very low playback on the mixer, and nothing on the computer. Any ideas? I appreciate the help.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:42 pm 

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you would definitely want to take advantage of the headphone jack on your audio interface. you would use the one on the computer only if the interface is disconnected.

scroll down to 14.1 here for more details on monitoring.
https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/routing-and-i-o/

it's hard to answer your question because you say this
jfadams wrote:
I'm able to record, but can't hear anything on playback, or very very quiet playback


on the one hand your asking about monitoring, but the symptoms you're describing sound like a thin waveform... like you need a pre-amp or something to boost the input. BUT... when you switch drivers you get different results :?

what are you recording (vocals, instruments)?


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:03 pm 

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H20nly wrote:
what are you recording (vocals, instruments)?


I'm just recording output from a Korg Monologue synth. Yeah, I agree it is strange. I almost wonder if the Soundcraft Notepad mixer doesn't work as an output device for Ableton, but only as an input device, and I just happen to be hearing some voltage leakage or something back through the usb? The levels in Ableton during recording look good, I just can't hear anything - this includes things like the built-in metronome in Ableton. It's possible there's some windows settings that need to be changed that I've missed, but the ASIO driver for soundcraft is pretty basic, and doesn't have much to configure beyond the buffer size.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 pm 

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try ASIO4all, at least as a troubleshooting step

http://www.asio4all.org/

if it works, double check the latency. if it's better than the ASIO driver you're using, it'll be a double win.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:51 pm 

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ASIO4ALL is not an ASIO driver! There's absolutely no need to use it in 2019.

We now have WASAPI which is Microsoft's answer for low latency use, and comes as standard in Windows. Besides, it's been many years since DAW software required an ASIO driver to function.

ASIO4ALL merely piggybacks onto the standard WDM driver in order to allow use of "ASIO driver only" software (rare to extinct in 2019) with a normal non-ASIO computer audio interface.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:03 pm 

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102455 wrote:
We now have WASAPI which is Microsoft's answer for low latency use, and comes as standard in Windows.


Is WASAPI even available in Ableton? I tried a couple of things last night and was still unable to get ASIO to work; I still need to test ASIO4ALL. I might be stuck with the high-latency MME driver.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:08 pm 

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Good point! It has been requested by users, but if or when Ableton will ever fix Live (after all, it is a standard Windows driver now) remains to be seen.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:00 pm 

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102455 wrote:
ASIO4ALL is not an ASIO driver! There's absolutely no need to use it in 2019.

disagree

H20nly wrote:
try ASIO4all, at least as a troubleshooting step


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:29 pm 

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But what's the point when all ASIO4ALL does is piggyback onto an existing driver (WDM)? He might as well just try with WDM directly.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:03 pm 

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the point is to troubleshoot.
so, use another driver... to troubleshoot.

presenting the option to use something the DAW doesn't support as an option is kind of pointless. that's like saying that you should try comping vocals in Live by wishing that Live has comping.


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 Post subject: Re: ASIO Volume Help
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:02 pm 

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H20nly wrote:

so, use another driver

...but it isn't a driver! It relies on WDM (which is a driver).


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