Channel EQ or EQ8?

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braduro
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Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by braduro » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:53 pm

They have around the same CPU draw. Light in either case.
Which do you think is a better channel strip eq for iso instrumentation tracks? Trying to assemble my default audio track. Admittedly 8 bands is likely overkill for carving out a good eq. But I have a pretty good group device that has most of the knobs within reach. I could do a 4-band version of this such that the Q is also on the face plate. Or I could also emulate the curves and ranges on the new channel EQ. The new Channel EQ seems to me more like a finishing touches EQ. Like a sub mix eq. Or a good performance setting EQ, perhaps also on the Output stage of the signal flow.

What are your thoughts on which one will be your go-to channel strip eq?

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by Tarekith » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:33 pm

EQ8 in mid-side mode, definitely. Channel EQ is interesting, but I want a bit more control in how I shape the tone of things.

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by braduro » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:58 am

Terekith, why do you think they put the shelf at the frequencies they did? 100, with a slight shift for the low. I do like the additional low-pass on the upper end. 20 down to 8K into cranial pitches makes sense. If I ran out of macros on a m/s (which I completely agree with, btw) grouped EQ8, where would you tune the low and the high? Why did they use a shelf rather than a cutoff? If you were trying to reconstruct this with EQ8, would you constrain your Q they way they did in the mids? What would be the sweepable range?

Do you think the idea is for 2-stage EQing? That's why there's the make-up gain, yeah? Put the EQ8 on the input stage, tuned in isolation, correctively and this Channel EQ on the last stage tuned to the mix, for the overall results.

How about in a performance environment? You come into a dance club, or you are a live remixer, or someone who composes through improvisation like I do. the speaker relays are resulting in one thing, suppose. Or the songs I have on deck are just a bit brash. Or I want to stay in the creative flow and I don't want to fall out of it sweeping a notch. Do you think that's what the Channel EQ is deservedly for? Would you leave the Channel EQ in place if it was used compositionally on the fly, or do you think its coloration is a bit of a compromise? Would you ultimately replace it with the EQ8 when you returned to the studio? Of course my performance template has to be as lean as it can be, so do you think if push came to shove, I could shove out EQ8 on my bass tracks, my pad tracks, etc.--which are admittedly already in the ballpark of where they need to be in most situations--and just use the channel EQ?

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by jlgrimes » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:29 pm

braduro wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:53 pm
They have around the same CPU draw. Light in either case.
Which do you think is a better channel strip eq for iso instrumentation tracks? Trying to assemble my default audio track. Admittedly 8 bands is likely overkill for carving out a good eq. But I have a pretty good group device that has most of the knobs within reach. I could do a 4-band version of this such that the Q is also on the face plate. Or I could also emulate the curves and ranges on the new channel EQ. The new Channel EQ seems to me more like a finishing touches EQ. Like a sub mix eq. Or a good performance setting EQ, perhaps also on the Output stage of the signal flow.

What are your thoughts on which one will be your go-to channel strip eq?

Channel is more quick and dirty. You quickly want to brighten/darken something. You aren't concerned with precision. Probably better for composing or rough mixing or even buses.

EQ8 if you really need to do detailed adjustments, hence the many bands and more controls.

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by Angstrom » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:35 pm

ChannelEQ is a very unusual move by Ableton. I can understand it for Lite users, but for everyone else it's a bit pointless.

For quick and easy light/dark EQing I have a racked EQ8 preset where a single macro knob tilts the EQ toward the bass or top end. If I need to put a hard Hipass on I can quickly do that. If I need to go further and add a notch removal band, or start to boost a range, I can keep tweaking and add that too. EQ8 does what Channel EQ does and a hell of a lot more. So why even bother with making Channel EQ?
It's a baffling addition.
Other than for Lite users, as I said.

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by Tarekith » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:18 am

It’s nice and simple for Push users too.

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Re: Channel EQ or EQ8?

Post by braduro » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:55 pm

Thanks for circling around to this, folks. We are of like minds.
Maybe they want to think of adding an UPGRADE button to the Channel EQ that converts someone's current settings to the EQ8. That way they can be in the moment (show a client where the mix is headed for example. Or start a live looping session down and dirty, et.), and then address something more deliberately in the studio if need be.

Tarekith with the save! Yes, it would really be easy to make and see the adjustments splayed on a Push. That would be a consideration...

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