recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
I have been producing with ableton since 2004 but never used external synths. So this is a newbie question for sure. Been looking at the deepmind12d and was wondering what I would be losing or gaining compared to vst synths. Will Live record the automation initiated from the external synth? And when I open my project will Live recall the preset that I used for the synth? Thanks for your help.
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Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Automation will be recorded, but not recall what preset you used (not sure on midi program changes etc) I usually write the preset I use in track name
Live 11, M1 Mac Mini, Push 2, Scarlett 18i20 & ADA8200, Softube Console 1 Mk2, Deepmind12, Hydrasynth, Cobalt 8M, Moog Subsequent 25, IK Uno Synth Pro, Plethora X3, Nord Drum 3P
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Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Rename the Ableton track with the deepmind on with the preset is how I remember them lol.. Deepmind12 is a nice synth.
Live 11, M1 Mac Mini, Push 2, Scarlett 18i20 & ADA8200, Softube Console 1 Mk2, Deepmind12, Hydrasynth, Cobalt 8M, Moog Subsequent 25, IK Uno Synth Pro, Plethora X3, Nord Drum 3P
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Live will only record MIDI CC commands into clips, I don't know about the Deepmind but if it sends some changes using SYSEX commands then they will not be recorded into clips.
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Thanks for the info. My Diva VST is looking sweeter now that I know about the limits of the external hardware.
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
I like VST workflow much better than hardware. Maybe for gigging hardware is better but I'm nowhere near that level unfortunately.
Diva is a great synth.
Diva is a great synth.
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Has anyone had luck recording the automation from Deep Mind 12D into Ableton yet?
I'm having a tough time even with this handy VST app I purchased by Momo Muller
It seems like I'm so close
https://youtu.be/fu93GemQAic
Using Ext Instrument, Ableton doesn't see any midi
Track, Sync, Remote all on Ableton sees none
I'm surprised recording midi from this into ableton via usb isn't simpler, I'v never had issues like this with a Taurus or Sub 37 etc
Perhaps someone has a fix for this?
I'm having a tough time even with this handy VST app I purchased by Momo Muller
It seems like I'm so close
https://youtu.be/fu93GemQAic
Using Ext Instrument, Ableton doesn't see any midi
Track, Sync, Remote all on Ableton sees none
I'm surprised recording midi from this into ableton via usb isn't simpler, I'v never had issues like this with a Taurus or Sub 37 etc
Perhaps someone has a fix for this?
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
cc info should be the track input field. Ext instrument is MIDI out/Audio in only so won't pick up MIDI - I generally use a separate MIDI track for recording stuff like this. Deepmind does send MIDI cc according to the manual so a spearate MIDI track with the Behringer as the input set to record should pick up cc input as clip automation in Ableton.
If it doesn't I'm afraid I have no idea why not.....do you have USB MIDI out enabled in the global menu?
If it doesn't I'm afraid I have no idea why not.....do you have USB MIDI out enabled in the global menu?
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Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Ensuring send and receive are using same Midi channel
Live 11, M1 Mac Mini, Push 2, Scarlett 18i20 & ADA8200, Softube Console 1 Mk2, Deepmind12, Hydrasynth, Cobalt 8M, Moog Subsequent 25, IK Uno Synth Pro, Plethora X3, Nord Drum 3P
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Thanks for helping out, I have attached a couple photos to show how my settings are set up on Abletontimday wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:31 amcc info should be the track input field. Ext instrument is MIDI out/Audio in only so won't pick up MIDI - I generally use a separate MIDI track for recording stuff like this. Deepmind does send MIDI cc according to the manual so a spearate MIDI track with the Behringer as the input set to record should pick up cc input as clip automation in Ableton.
If it doesn't I'm afraid I have no idea why not.....do you have USB MIDI out enabled in the global menu?
https://imgur.com/qOBDfy7
https://imgur.com/UONpzYb
You will notice that Ableton is receiving midi showing that yellow dot, but isn't changing on the clip side... Still says Mixer and Speaker
On the Deepmind I have these settings
>>Midi Settings
Midi-Ctrl Cc
Prog-Change RX
RX-Channel 1
Tx-Channel 1
Soft-Thru Off
Midi>USB-Thru Off
Midi>Wifi-Thru Off
>>USB Settings
USB-Ctrl Cc
Prog-Change RX
RX-Channel All
Tx-Channel RxCh
USB>Midi-Thru Off
USB>Wifi-Thru Off
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Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Still doesnt show what midi channels you are sending & receiving within Ableton thou. The first photo clearly shows you have nothing selected in Midi Out channel.
Live 11, M1 Mac Mini, Push 2, Scarlett 18i20 & ADA8200, Softube Console 1 Mk2, Deepmind12, Hydrasynth, Cobalt 8M, Moog Subsequent 25, IK Uno Synth Pro, Plethora X3, Nord Drum 3P
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
It doesn't change anything whether I pick Deepmind in and out, or in only, or out onlyMark Williams wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:02 amStill doesnt show what midi channels you are sending & receiving within Ableton thou. The first photo clearly shows you have nothing selected in Midi Out channel.
Or whether I pick channel 1 which is the one that the midi info appears on, when I put deepmind 12d in
I'm just trying to record automation from fader or other knobs movement on the deepmind, I can get sound using ext. instrument no prob
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
Here's a couple more screenshots to emphasize my confusion
First one, used a Midi monitor and Sustain movement shows up
https://imgur.com/MpUzxAc
However, when I click over to the clip view, the Midi monitor does not change to CC41 to correspond with the input
https://imgur.com/HmjNICF
I'm not sure what I am missing here but I'll be sure to share my solution so nobody else has this issue
I've also reached out to Behringer and Reddit!
First one, used a Midi monitor and Sustain movement shows up
https://imgur.com/MpUzxAc
However, when I click over to the clip view, the Midi monitor does not change to CC41 to correspond with the input
https://imgur.com/HmjNICF
I'm not sure what I am missing here but I'll be sure to share my solution so nobody else has this issue
I've also reached out to Behringer and Reddit!
Re: recording automation from external synth (Deepmind 12d)
OK so
- You are correct that in your case MIDI channel is not really relevant since you have the track to recieve all channels anyway. And you aren't sending the cc just trying to record it. So it isn't that.
- don't have a deepmind so tried cc recording off one of my Synths and cc recording works just fine (arm automation , arm track, record cc movement, you should see it in the envelope field of the clip under the correct cc) so it shouldn't be an Ableton issue. You should see something like this below.
I am not sure sending it via the MIDI monitor helps as you are recording the cc not a parameter of the monitor (might not make a difference but I don't use that particular monitor so not 100% sure how its send/recieve works)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/51423820@ ... ed-public/
From the manual the Behringer is set up correctly and you seem to be recieving MIDI so it's a bit of a puzzle. Maybe try mapping the cc to a macro or something just to verify that cc info is in fact getting through?
- You are correct that in your case MIDI channel is not really relevant since you have the track to recieve all channels anyway. And you aren't sending the cc just trying to record it. So it isn't that.
- don't have a deepmind so tried cc recording off one of my Synths and cc recording works just fine (arm automation , arm track, record cc movement, you should see it in the envelope field of the clip under the correct cc) so it shouldn't be an Ableton issue. You should see something like this below.
I am not sure sending it via the MIDI monitor helps as you are recording the cc not a parameter of the monitor (might not make a difference but I don't use that particular monitor so not 100% sure how its send/recieve works)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/51423820@ ... ed-public/
From the manual the Behringer is set up correctly and you seem to be recieving MIDI so it's a bit of a puzzle. Maybe try mapping the cc to a macro or something just to verify that cc info is in fact getting through?