TR-8S sound degradation over time

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agawley
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TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by agawley » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:12 am

I just got a TR-8S and am connecting it to Ableton via USB audio with each of the 12 channels coming through as a single audio track

Everything works fine for about 10-15 minutes and then audio quality starts degrading exhibiting significant distortion (like bitcrushing). I can fix it by open the audio pref and changing the buffer size to something else and then back again. That seems to restart the cycle. I've tested exactly the same setup in Garage Band and did not observe any distortion or degradation after 30 minutes of playback.

Some notes:
1. My computer is an M1 Mac Mini
2. I am connecting the TR-8S directly to a USB-C port (no hub)
3. My Ableton set has no plugins, no return tracks and no other tracks
4. My sample rate is set to 48k and buffer to 512
5. I have no problems with other external instruments that are connected through my Scarlett 18i8

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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by cids » Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:41 pm

Which Ableton version?
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1

Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma

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agawley
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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by agawley » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:55 pm

11.1.6

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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by cids » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:57 pm

So check with a lower buffer-size: 128 samples

There no plugins on the TR-8S track/return or on the Master that could cause this?
Last edited by cids on Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1

Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma

UAD Apollo Twin

Ableton Push 2

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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by [jur] » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:59 pm

cids wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:57 pm
So check with a lower buffer-size: 128 samples
+1, that's definitely the sweet spot with m1 macs.
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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by agawley » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:11 pm

No plug ins.

Will check with the lower buffer size. Thanks!

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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by agawley » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:07 am

Wow. 128 sample buffer fixed it. I was under the impression that a bigger buffer always improved performance (at the expense of latency). Happy to discover I was wrong!

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Re: TR-8S sound degradation over time

Post by [jur] » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:22 am

agawley wrote:
Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:07 am
I was under the impression that a bigger buffer always improved performance (at the expense of latency). Happy to discover I was wrong!
You weren't wrong, but this doesn't apply anymore with the m1 architecture.
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