Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

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Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by Der_Landvogt » Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:46 am

Hey folks,
I just encountered something very strange and wanted to ask you pros about it. I have an audio clip in the arrangement view and turned the clip gain down to -inf. As expected he waveform now only shows a straight line but if I play the clip back I can still hear the audio it contains, albeit at a veeeery low volume. The channel meter barely moves but if I turn my headphones up it's clearly audible. Is that normal? I expected there to be complete silence when setting the clip gain to -inf. Maybe someone can clear up my confusion?
I'm running the latest verson of Ableton 11 Suite btw...

Thx in advance

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by [jur] » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:34 pm

Isn't is coming from an "analog modelled" plugin in your chain?
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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by siliconarc » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:55 pm

just tried this, can confirm.

an audio clip at -inf db into by a utility device (+36 db) bleeds audio.
an audio clip at 0 db into a utility (-inf db) into another utility (+36 db) doesn't bleed.

seems that the clip's -inf db setting is actually around -69.8db
the utility's -inf db setting also has some 'wriggle room' to make it also bleed while still showing -inf db.

worth letting support know i reckon.

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by [jur] » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:29 pm

Ok, I can reproduce too. I'm wondering when this started happening :?: :!:
Did you already report Gaz?
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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by siliconarc » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:36 pm

just tried Live 10 and it's the same there so.. !

i've not reported it. maybe Der_Landvogt has already?

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by Rivanni » Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:18 pm

[jur] wrote:
Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:29 pm
Ok, I can reproduce too. I'm wondering when this started happening :?: :!:
Since Live 3, the first version where clip gain could go to -inf.

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by siliconarc » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:33 pm

:lol:

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by jonljacobi » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:16 am

Definitely the kind of issue that makes you wonder...

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by Der_Landvogt » Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:27 pm

Thx for the replies guys. Good to know that it's not a problem on my particular system :) I'm going to shoot the support team a message about it and will report back if and what they reply.

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by [jur] » Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:51 pm

Der_Landvogt wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:27 pm
I'm going to shoot the support team a message about it
Yes please, contact Support
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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by Der_Landvogt » Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:16 pm

I contacted the support team as promised and they told me that this is a known bug that will we fixed in the future. They couldn't say when, though.

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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by [jur] » Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:14 am

Der_Landvogt wrote:
Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:16 pm
I contacted the support team as promised and they told me that this is a known bug that will we fixed in the future. They couldn't say when, though.
thx for the heads up :wink:
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Re: Question: Clip Volume doesn't go to zero/silence?

Post by Razzkazz » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm

Der_Landvogt wrote:
Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:16 pm
I contacted the support team as promised and they told me that this is a known bug that will we fixed in the future. They couldn't say when, though.
Issue still remains.
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