MIDI Program Changes sent as CC0 (toggle)

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Ironlion
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MIDI Program Changes sent as CC0 (toggle)

Post by Ironlion » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:05 am

I'm trying to figure out how to get program changes from an FCB1010 into a VST in Ableton. I've been down the rabbit hole and realize that Ableton cannot receive program changes from external devices so I've tried to use empty midi clips within Ableton to generate the program change messages. However, regardless of any program change I try to generate from an Ableton MIDI clip, or even an M4L program change device, it is received by the VST as "CC0 (toggle)".

Any ideas?
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Re: MIDI Program Changes sent as CC0 (toggle)

Post by yur2die4 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:34 am

Just gonna copy my response from the other here, since this thread might be more tidy:

There could be a few factors at play with this.

The first thing I’d check is to make sure it is not a vst3 as they do not support program change for some reason. Next I’d see if Live is able to send program change from one source to another or if it filters that out. I understand that PC can go from clips to midi out and clips to instruments in the channel. If you can get it to work with a different device using similar routing, then the problem is probably the plug-in. Also, maybe double check to make sure you’re doing the PC stuff correctly.

I might test this out myself to see if I can learn anything. (I do not have that particular plug-in)

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Re: MIDI Program Changes sent as CC0 (toggle)

Post by yur2die4 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:02 am

So I’ve tested an fx plug-in that supports program change. Nothing complicated like bank and sub so I left those blank.

Auv2 works (I’m using a MacBook), I didn’t test vst2. Vst3 does not work.

Going to see if I can find a way to test vst2. In my experience in the past it should work.

The bad news is, on the plug-in I used, my computer did not like the PC and had a little pop each time heheh

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Re: MIDI Program Changes sent as CC0 (toggle)

Post by Ironlion » Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:20 am

Wow, that's it. Thank you! I loaded the non vst3 version of the plugin and it's working. Appreciate it man.

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