Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

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Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by muthafunka » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:35 am

I've been using Live since 1.5. In 2022, nearly 2023...all these years later I'm asking again:

1. is there any way to delete time on a single track, not globally?

2. Is it possible to discretely select multiple regions across multiple tracks simultaneously? ie to select only certain desired regions across multiple tracks and move them without moving everything 'trapped' in between? In basically any other daw or even the most basic desktop-level file management this is simply command/click but Live still only seems capable of shift/click.

Am I missing something?

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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by Tarekith » Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:32 pm

No and no.
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Post by muthafunka » Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:16 am

Thanks Tarekith, good to see another dusty old-timer!

Such a shame these 2 still aren't there....just blows my mind I'm forced to choose between potentially trashing work to move things or do it piecemeal and trash inter-region timing.

Any nudge-by-xyz yet? ie nudge selection by bars/n ticks etc?

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Post by Tarekith » Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:45 am

Live has always been kind of quirky and particular about certain workflows, I hear you. Don't let it frustrate you too much, there's still so much it CAN do that a work around is usually just an extra click or two. Maybe not with selecting 200+ non-contiguous clips, but you get my drift.

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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by muthafunka » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:30 am

Yeaaah....quirk is kinda polite :mrgreen: and yes it can do amazing things but what use is a screwdriver when I need a wrench or the screwdriver magnetizes everything in sight when I try and use it?

How would you work around it though, not grabbing/moving unwanted ends of chunks, mashing up automation, re-positioning bits that got moved unintentionally etc etc? Honestly as far as I can see it's unworkable and impractical for a lot of the work I would use it for.

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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by Dugrok » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:38 pm

Just chiming into this thread to echo that a "Delete time" for individual tracks would be a real time saver for a lot of the work I do (1-stop shop dialogue editing, sound design, and music service for podcasts and other audio recordings).

Otherwise, I have to do all of my dialogue editing in another DAW first, which would be fine if no project scope ever changed (more often than not, it does, especially with the indy productions that make up a big chunk of my client base).
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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by dougdi » Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:50 pm

If I have a tricky edit, I group the affected tracks, make the edit and then un group. Not ideal but it works great.
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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by Dugrok » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:25 pm

dougdi wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:50 pm
If I have a tricky edit, I group the affected tracks, make the edit and then un group. Not ideal but it works great.
I'm not sure I follow. How does grouping make this process more efficient for manipulating (especially deleting) time?
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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by muthafunka » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:39 pm

Dugrok wrote:
Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:25 pm
[quote=dougdi post_id=<a href="tel:1808081">1808081</a> time=<a href="tel:1676325048">1676325048</a> user_id=14954]
If I have a tricky edit, I group the affected tracks, make the edit and then un group. Not ideal but it works great.
I'm not sure I follow. How does grouping make this process more efficient for manipulating (especially deleting) time?
[/quote]

I'd love to be utterly wrong but I don't think this person understands the issue.
Honestly there are no practical workarounds for these issues that leaves pieces untouched and in their original relative positions. For what I spend most of my time in a DAW for for creative bill-paying work it's a hard fail sadly.

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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by dougdi » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:12 pm

It’s easier to edit stem groups or all tracks in some situations, it’s not a perfect solution. After the edit I undo the group.
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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by muthafunka » Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:48 am

dougdi wrote:
Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:12 pm
It’s easier to edit stem groups or all tracks in some situations, it’s not a perfect solution. After the edit I undo the group.
It is for sure...but that's of no use re these 2 issues unfort.

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Re: Delete time on a single channel? Move discrete chunks en masse?

Post by dougdi » Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:44 pm

Unfortunately no DAW is perfect in every respect, I love Live but I admit editing is not it’s strength. I will also use Pro Tools or Reaper if necessary, but Live is still my favorite.
Doug

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