These Crazy Conspiracy theorists...Rave to this

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live
noisetonepause
Posts: 4935
Joined: Sat Dec 28, 2002 3:38 pm
Location: Second row from the expensive puddle, under ten others

Post by noisetonepause » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:01 am

MrYellow wrote:oh and..... It's all part of a homosexual conspiricy to take over the world so
they can turn it into a lube factory to help with anal fisting.

-Ben
finally someone who understands!

FaX-01
Posts: 1483
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:58 am

Post by FaX-01 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:54 am

noisetonepause wrote:
MrYellow wrote:oh and..... It's all part of a homosexual conspiricy to take over the world so
they can turn it into a lube factory to help with anal fisting.

-Ben
finally someone who understands!


I'm gald you said "understands" and not "underhands" 8O 8O :lol: .
My aren't the wings of butterflies beautiful and do they not make wonderful perturbations.....

computo
Posts: 1448
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:00 pm

Post by computo » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:42 am

whoever said this is over, obviously hasnt read this.

http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20630

and this is the website started with all of the eyewitness accounts.

http://music-versus-guns.org/

So, who said it was over?

ishimaru
Posts: 507
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Irvine , California
Contact:

Post by ishimaru » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:10 am

gpvillamil wrote:
ishimaru wrote:Dude Saddam killed hundreds of thousands. Fuck that fucker. The people of Iraq are better than they were 5 years ago under the rule of Saddam. They can vote for there rights and shave there beards. The women can walk free and stand tall. When everyone who is against us looks back 15 years from now they will look foolish.
Better off? Maybe.

Shave their beards? They could always do that. Don't forget that Iraq was a socialist dictatorship (like, say Romania) not a theocracy (like Iran or Iraq).

Women can walk free and stand tall? Actually, no.

http://www.equalityiniraq.com/english/2 ... 210805.htm

In order to get the backing of the religious groups that now control Iraq, women's rights will take a big step backward.

There is no-one shaping policy in the White House now who is passionate about women's rights, or human rights for that matter.

That article is off. The new Iraqi constitution calls for the recognition of basic human rights and it says that the Koran is "one of" the many sources for iraqi law

Don't forget our constitutition had to be amended 13 times before the right to vote was secured for blacks and 19 times for women. Nothing is ever simple and impossible to predict what the document will ensure. As long as there system of checks and balances works (IE. the supreme court isn't as messed up as ours) then everything should work out just fine. Hey maybe .. just maybe there supreme court will ensure property rights too. lol
Every situation(1) should be confronted with its opposite(2) to come to a better situation(3).

1 Thesis
2 Antithesis
3 Synthesis

- Hegel

ishimaru
Posts: 507
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Irvine , California
Contact:

Post by ishimaru » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:26 am

computo wrote:whoever said this is over, obviously hasnt read this.

http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20630

and this is the website started with all of the eyewitness accounts.

http://music-versus-guns.org/

So, who said it was over?
13-4-2-7. Revocation. The license issued under the provisions of this Division may be revoked by the County Commission at any time if any of the conditions necessary
for the issuing of or contained in the license are not complied with, or if any condition previously met ceases to be complied with.
(Ord. No. 1971-1, Section 6, 7-7-71)

Hmm lets see ... drug use. Byebye permit to gather. There local county law says it as clear as day ...
Every situation(1) should be confronted with its opposite(2) to come to a better situation(3).

1 Thesis
2 Antithesis
3 Synthesis

- Hegel

computo
Posts: 1448
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:00 pm

Post by computo » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:07 am

This just goes to the heart of the Rave act.

Its insane to say that any event that may reasonably have drugs present can be completely shut down.

That would mean, pretty much EVERY public event from a bbq, to the super bowl as I said before.

They had no warrant, so they cant say that the city had proof of drug possession before going on premises.

Its not nearly as black and white as a "we have the right to refuse for any reason"

trash
Posts: 459
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:31 pm
Location: London, UK

Post by trash » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:33 am

elemental wrote:
trash wrote:by the way this bullshit rave that got busted
ive now had my septic mates emailing me about this like its a serious issue...
at least it might wake them up to whats *really* going on...
but hell this is a little sick to see americans all up in arms about a little thing like this...
wouldnt you be up in arms if this happened to a party here in the UK??

or are you suggesting that its just a small part of something much bigger?
exactly
and no i wouldnt be up in arms. not any more than usual anyway.

trash
Posts: 459
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:31 pm
Location: London, UK

Post by trash » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:54 am

mosca and a few others have it right.
its scary to see the full extent of american ignorance here displayed.
taking the word 'liberal' and making it bad is interesting to see.
these ignorant as fuck opinions on iraq after 100,000 dead and impending civil war are quite sickening and really put things like your pathetic little rave into perspective.
sorry but did anyone die in this rave ?
in the uk we've had loads of this.
this is the occupational hazard with so called 'democracy'
the actual fact is there is no democracy in either of our countries.
the sooner people realise the better.
democracy works by creating wars
without wars economies would sink into nothing.
so you see your lifestyle is created and continued with all your missile factories etc etc.. columbine was a great point in michael moores film. even though actually hes a bit of a fat twat, but hey.
perhaps you guys should read one of your greatest political writers, noam chomsky.
edward said is also a good start as another dude mentioned.
start to get some perspective about perhaps what you should be complaining about?
after the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents which you are economically crushing first i.e. starve them of food, resources and then send in state of the art technology to kill them ruthlessly or torture and kill them through proxy armies its a bit rich to whine on about some stupid little 'rave' ( a word which died here somewhere around the early nineties ) like you are going to have a revolution because of it. it just makes you look like a really ignorant person. please have some more awareness of whats happening around you. im not trying to say anyone who got a punch from police or whatever is not hard done by and i think that the police should have got a kicking for it but still, its really quite irrelveant in the grand scheme of things. do you see now my american friends?

still perhaps this rave is a political awakening for you kids
and you can start to be aware of other stuff thats going on.
and yes iraq wasnt invaded so much *for* the oil
but for *control* of the oil..
go read noam and get back to us...

by the way im not saying england is some bastion of freedom like somene implied.
we are basically now americas client, as is israel etc etc...

anonymouse
Posts: 627
Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:33 am

Post by anonymouse » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:06 am

ishimaru wrote:Dude Saddam killed hundreds of thousands. Fuck that fucker. The people of Iraq are better than they were 5 years ago under the rule of Saddam. They can vote for there rights and shave there beards. The women can walk free and stand tall. When everyone who is against us looks back 15 years from now they will look foolish.
What total rubbish.

US Sanctions killed a million children, meanwhile the US corporation continued to bleed money out of the country in the corrupted Oil-for-food programme.

I don't know what news you are watching these days. But most of Iraq is now controlled by "terrorists" or "insurgents" as the propaganda media in the US liek to label them. US forces in Baghdad are locked inside a little fortress with no control of the city, while the common citizen stands a pretty high chance of being blown up by crazed individuals who are passionately opposed to the foreign occupation of their lands.

It is shameful how ignorant and stupid the foreign policymakers are that they had the arrogance to invade.

15 years from now the unprovoked invasion of Iraq will look 100 times worse in terms of US foreign policy than Vietnam did.

But in 15 years the US will be China's puppy, so I doubt the US military will still be permitted to maraude their way around the globe protecting "their" resources.

The Offender
Posts: 64
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:13 am

Post by The Offender » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:18 am

mosca wrote:
the nazi guy is quite funny tho, he obviously knows what buttons to push with you guys

mosca
thats what its about.

the right wing shit is out of control, but so is the left wing. both r equally as dangerous. u want to know 1 reason that the right has control? because they have the majority of the people behind them. y? because most of america is families in the south and midwest, that wish to raise their children in a traditional sense, when they c the gay media propaganda (if u deny that its there then u might as well deny right wing propaganda to) it is an automatic vote for conservatism. but do these fags care? no, they r too busy shoving their choices in life into the faces of everyone else (how about a straight pride parade to?) because they r selfish. personally i dont give a fuck what peoples personal choices r. but i do give a fuck about bullshit propaganda from both sides always being thrown around,

because the right wing is so fucked up that makes the left wing good? give me a break. i understand that most of u have good intentions, but u will not b able to do any good with your "left liberal can do no wrong mentality" u really dont know what u support. do u walk around with nambla tshirts to? do u find it acceptable to b sexually irresponsible and solve the problem with abortions which is murder of the most innocents yet none of u r "concious" enough to address that.

so u all think im a nazi? thats fine. i feel some groups of people should b burned alive. like mormons and muslims, they r diseases to global society. btw all u left liberals go live in one of these muzzie countries like iran or saudi arabia, find out what their religiion is all about, i guarentee u if they busted up your rave, u would b killed with everyone there. i empathise with the people in those countries that wish they could experience freedom away from religious oppression.

as far as my sense of history goes, i believe what i believe, based on things ive read heard and havent heard. y do u believe what they tell u? u trust them to give u the truth after seeing all the injustice in the world? hyprcrites. your "consiousness" is fake and so is your attitude that u care about the world. u r fake. u r hype. u r tomorrows sellouts because u dont stand on any true moral ground. u r all very fake people,

go ahead and ignore all tje points that i make because u dont like what u hear, u r the same as what u hate

MrYellow
Posts: 1887
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:10 am
Contact:

Post by MrYellow » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:55 am

left = homosexual
right = straight

Missed that meeting.......

-Ben

Emissary
Posts: 2431
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:27 am

Post by Emissary » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:07 am

This is all very exciting. Its like neighbours.......but better! yipee

trash
Posts: 459
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:31 pm
Location: London, UK

Post by trash » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:14 pm

actually one thing you might like about saudi mr buttwipe
is that 'faggots' over there are killed if found out quite regularly
perhaps it isn't as bad as you think huh ?
:lol:

im not right or left wing im an anarchist.

trash
Posts: 459
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:31 pm
Location: London, UK

Post by trash » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:15 pm

anonymouse wrote: US Sanctions killed a million children, meanwhile the US corporation continued to bleed money out of the country in the corrupted Oil-for-food programme.

It is shameful how ignorant and stupid the foreign policymakers are that they had the arrogance to invade.

15 years from now the unprovoked invasion of Iraq will look 100 times worse in terms of US foreign policy than Vietnam did.

But in 15 years the US will be China's puppy, so I doubt the US military will still be permitted to maraude their way around the globe protecting "their" resources.
absolutely SPOT ON
/me bows

china will take over from america soon enough
is why they are starting to lick their asses now despite the obvious human rights abuses, not that obviously capitalism cares about that.

dtm
Posts: 47
Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:23 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Post by dtm » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:18 pm

Before many 'party drugs' were illegal, The U.S. government tried to ban large gatherings of like-minded people that were seen to be promoting views that weren't 'in line' with the moral majority. Back then there was also a great propaganda machine- not spouting shite about terrorism, but that of 'communist infiltration from inside U.S. borders' or cult-like 'brainwashing'.
You can't take away civil rights in a supposedly 'free country', but you can create bias policies to suit your agenda. The biggest threat in a country that promotes freedom and moral values is when groups protest within the law, and by all accounts seem to be acting right-neighbourly to each other, and to the community around them. These peaceful 'protestors' can be hard to shut down when they are opening forums for scathing, rational views on their government's actions.
Unable to keep up with banning all the analogs and derivatives of the recreational drugs used at such events, many policies were introduced making the large scale use of them impossible- introducing laws to prevent the actual gathering rather than the drug.
Times are a changin'.
The U.S. law enforcement agencies now often use the "crack den" law, allowing them to violently bust into any premises that they believe is condoning drug use, or harbouring drug users inside. So it's "so long raves" in the US if there are even 1 in 50 drug users at your party.
The UK tried to follow suit- to no avail, so they introduced the 'repetitive beat' laws. These laws deemed any music with a repetitive beat (i.e. 4/4 techno) was in fact noise pollution. Party goers in the U.K are still quite a formidable foe, however. I'm told many large squat/street parties don't get shut down as punters simply outnumber the police in some instances.
They've finally found a way to stop us here in Australia too. The EPA (environmental protection agency) has the power to shut down big parties that don't have the correct permits, or are deemed to be creating noise pollution (excessive volume- any time of day). Even at remote forest parties with no residential premises for miles- noise pollution is said to adversely affect wildlife. I knew it was over for us when Speedy J had his set turned down at a huge daytime event due to 'complaints from neighbours'. The event was at the tennis centre- where many rock concerts are held without complaint. You could hear his monitors over the P.A! He was obviously devastated, but to add insult to injury he offered to come back for all his disappointed fans about a month later, and the 'Automatic level limiters' installed in that venue literally raped his set. They were mounted on a wall, adjacent to a Drum and Bass room, so no matter how he tried to back off his levels, the vibration of the wall kept triggering massive dips in the volume levels throughout his set.
Earlier, a Supreme Court ruling found the sound complaints from residents surrounding this venue were due to the type of music, not the sound levels, and therefore was allowed to continue hosting parties of this nature. However, sound level limiters had to be installed for these bi-monthly events, as a permanent fixture. You can now stand in front of the P.A at these parties and have an audible conversation with the person next to you, that is until a build up in a set, which causes the volume to drop to about half its level, for a whole bar or so, right at the climax, driving you, and the performer, NUTS.
We are now lucky enough to have new roadside random drug testing now also. If you have had Amphetamines in the past 24hrs, or cannabis in the last 3, you will be considered to be under the influence (even after a good night's sleep). They are targeting raves only, and also main truck routes to catch truck drivers who drive for days without sleep. If you are caught with these substances in your system you get a fine and demerit points, or you can take it to court and risk a $600 dollar fine and loss of license if, sorry, when, you lose the case. Nobody in their right mind will argue openly about this as the response is always "its illegal anyway so you are in the wrong no-matter what". It's the equivalent of drinking a glass of beer, and being told you are under the influence the next day. Yes, we need safer roads, but if U.S. fighter pilots are allowed to control billion dollar jets on speed then something doesn't seem right. Every media story here uses useless figures to justify it.
Example- 1/ A third of people killed on our roads had drugs in their system. What drugs? More than one? Alcohol one of them? Were they the driver? Passengers? Pedestrians? Accidents aside, what percentage of drivers have drugs in their system? Isn't it like saying 3 in 5 accidents involve male drivers, when 3 in 5 license holders are male?
2/ 1 in 250 drivers are caught drink driving, while an alarming 1 in 5 drivers have tested positive to drugs, prompting more support for this program. Oh I see. How many drivers were just bellow the blood alcohol limit? What is the threshold for drugs that may impair your ability to drive? Oh there is none, because they are illegal, and you can’t do extensive testing when it is illegal for universities etc to possess the substances.
You can’t catch the few irresponsible people by drag netting a whole section of the community like this. Note the politicians/lawyer's choice- cocaine- is not tested for. And all those designated drivers that wouldn't dare touch a hallucinogenic drug if they had driven to a concert are probably driving home on acid now to avoid detection. Great. I feel safer already.
Sorry to rant, but for f*cks sake people, if you don’t stand up for your civil rights, or make some noise when governments lie or abuse their power, the freedom and democracy you think they uphold for you will be taken from under your nose. I've been going to dance parties for 14 years now and you never see the media paint us in a positive light. I've never seen a fight at a rave. All my friends have steady jobs. Most of the people I associate with are decent, compassionate people with otherwise normal lives. I’ve seen many police officers with smiles on their faces when they realise that patrolling big dance parties usually means no trouble, friendly faces, and no violence or abuse that they often get elsewhere. If you think its okay to go with the flow while your government makes you fat and stupid with beer and TV, keeping you distracted while it bombs innocent people every day, then fine. One day you'll have only yourself to blame when you're living in a police state that filters what you read, what you see, what you hear and what you can and cant do in the privacy of your own home.
DTM
-The Lines-

Post Reply