I gave options, choice was yours.rikhyray wrote: either you are stupid or you think Ableton are retarded, or Ableton users are idiots. If however it is true , what you write, my cheap advice ALWAYS THINK before you write, if you analise a bit what I wrote you will know what I mean........ to format HD is the safest way.
former crack user, now owner
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I'm not trying to endourse cracking software. the reason I bought it is because I decided they deserved my money in exchange for the software I was enjoying so much.
and actually I hadn't even noticed I could remove posts. I would have done that already starting with the second reply.
I understand ableton is a very cool company, that is why I didn't think it would be a problem stating that I had cracked stuff and decided to buy it(if I hadn't bought it and I was coming here to talk about using cracks I can see why people would be hostile but this is not the case). I would tell the owner of the company this with no shame because I HAVEEEEE bought it and therefor all wrongs are made right in my mind. it's like eating a pizza and then paying for it when you're done. the pizza place still got their money. I mean what should I send them extra money for all the time I used it before I paid? come on...
anyway I'm not going to reply to this topic anymore.
and actually I hadn't even noticed I could remove posts. I would have done that already starting with the second reply.
I understand ableton is a very cool company, that is why I didn't think it would be a problem stating that I had cracked stuff and decided to buy it(if I hadn't bought it and I was coming here to talk about using cracks I can see why people would be hostile but this is not the case). I would tell the owner of the company this with no shame because I HAVEEEEE bought it and therefor all wrongs are made right in my mind. it's like eating a pizza and then paying for it when you're done. the pizza place still got their money. I mean what should I send them extra money for all the time I used it before I paid? come on...
anyway I'm not going to reply to this topic anymore.
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I replied again because you've all made me too fu**ing pis*ed off to keep my mouth shut and frankly I'm working very hard to stay civil toward people who have successfully called me retarded and stupid several times and completely have not even tried to understand where I'm coming from. at least emissary has some decency.
yeah, i agree.Emissary wrote:geez guys give the man a break, lets not get like the propellerheads forum. Why should you punish honesty with calling the guy retarded?
everybody make mistakes now and then. he doesn't seem to mean no harm...
take it easy dudes, he's not the first, he won't be the last to post such stuff.
so let's moderate ourselves and let this thread R.I.P.
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I got a crack version too before I bought the thing.
But there's logic to it. The demo version does not allow SAVE as we all know. Now, I dont think not being able to save allows me to properly test it. I cant be expected to start setting up a set and go along with it while evaluating the result >> all in 1 go and until I finish I can't quit the frigging software!!
I'd like to start it, mess about, save some ideas etc, do something else (ex: use Reason), come back tomorrow and check out Ableton some more BUT picking up where I left it not restarting again!!!
That's plain rubbish!
A time deadline on the app would have been better (say 15 days) but you can still save your work.
I write software for a living and do understand the frustration of knowing someone's using your hard work freely without any cash input whatsoever (even if the software actually belongs to the company i work for and not me personally)
It's the intention that matters in the end I guess. I didn't get a crack copy to take the piss. I got it cause I didn't agree with the demo-version policy which I found too restrictive.
My intention was always to buy it if I was happy with it and wanted to keep it (and I did)
Me not buying it would have meant that the software would have been un-installed from my laptop because I didn't think much of it.
Kr.
But there's logic to it. The demo version does not allow SAVE as we all know. Now, I dont think not being able to save allows me to properly test it. I cant be expected to start setting up a set and go along with it while evaluating the result >> all in 1 go and until I finish I can't quit the frigging software!!
I'd like to start it, mess about, save some ideas etc, do something else (ex: use Reason), come back tomorrow and check out Ableton some more BUT picking up where I left it not restarting again!!!
That's plain rubbish!
A time deadline on the app would have been better (say 15 days) but you can still save your work.
I write software for a living and do understand the frustration of knowing someone's using your hard work freely without any cash input whatsoever (even if the software actually belongs to the company i work for and not me personally)
It's the intention that matters in the end I guess. I didn't get a crack copy to take the piss. I got it cause I didn't agree with the demo-version policy which I found too restrictive.
My intention was always to buy it if I was happy with it and wanted to keep it (and I did)
Me not buying it would have meant that the software would have been un-installed from my laptop because I didn't think much of it.
Kr.
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to be honost I almost said the same exact thing a little while ago but due to the state of how I was being viewed by everyone I decided it would be completely mistaken and I would be crucified. 
the fact is I've used demos before and decided to buy the product only to realise that when you really dig deep into the program and spend alot of time in it that it's a piece of crap. so I agree with you that the typical no save demo is far too restricting to truely evaluate how useful a program is going to be for you.
the fact is I've used demos before and decided to buy the product only to realise that when you really dig deep into the program and spend alot of time in it that it's a piece of crap. so I agree with you that the typical no save demo is far too restricting to truely evaluate how useful a program is going to be for you.
What, did nobody catch the humour in the thread title???
"former crack user, now owner"
Anyway, give the guy a break. Loads of people use cracked versions first, either because they have no money, or because they want to thoroughly test the software. As long as they buy the software later, what's the big deal?
The whole mic stealing analogy is not working either, since the kid didn't actually steal anyone's copy of Ableton. One could say that by not paying straight away the development of the software slows down, but he does pay later, so he still finances the development at that point.
"former crack user, now owner"
Anyway, give the guy a break. Loads of people use cracked versions first, either because they have no money, or because they want to thoroughly test the software. As long as they buy the software later, what's the big deal?
The whole mic stealing analogy is not working either, since the kid didn't actually steal anyone's copy of Ableton. One could say that by not paying straight away the development of the software slows down, but he does pay later, so he still finances the development at that point.
sheesh...first cracked software flame war in at least..ooh 3 weeks??
I really dont get these ultra puritan ideas where people feel the need to deride someone to that extent because they used a crack and then bought the program. I agree with the comments about the demo not saving etc, but the bottom line is this guy BOUGHT it so now he is a registered Live user and thereby every bit as entitled to post here as the rest of us, without being called a fucking retard etc etc. People who get any real use out of a program usually end up buying it.
There seems to be a kind of moral code in the software world where people know piracy exists, and it's a hazard of the industry. I know professional developers who never think twice about using cracks.
Live is actually one of the few programs I didnt start using as a crack because I first tried dleta v1.5 off an M-Audio CD with the DUo I used to have and was instantly converted, so much so that I had to have it then and there.
It's a tough world where the way to stand out is to be good enough at what you do - and Ableton are certainly standing out these days, not to mention doing much better than most of their users who will probably have their music ripped off but never see any money for it.
Emissary was right, let's not go the way of the propellerheads....
I really dont get these ultra puritan ideas where people feel the need to deride someone to that extent because they used a crack and then bought the program. I agree with the comments about the demo not saving etc, but the bottom line is this guy BOUGHT it so now he is a registered Live user and thereby every bit as entitled to post here as the rest of us, without being called a fucking retard etc etc. People who get any real use out of a program usually end up buying it.
There seems to be a kind of moral code in the software world where people know piracy exists, and it's a hazard of the industry. I know professional developers who never think twice about using cracks.
Live is actually one of the few programs I didnt start using as a crack because I first tried dleta v1.5 off an M-Audio CD with the DUo I used to have and was instantly converted, so much so that I had to have it then and there.
It's a tough world where the way to stand out is to be good enough at what you do - and Ableton are certainly standing out these days, not to mention doing much better than most of their users who will probably have their music ripped off but never see any money for it.
Emissary was right, let's not go the way of the propellerheads....