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computo wrote:ok, I'm gonna say something, just remember I posted this article, and I am utterly horrified by it.

But.

The US has always held this kind of free speech as an example of the freedoms that are afforded in this nation, as well as an example of how law has no purpose in regulating hate.

Its really the bonafide incompetence and ignorance that is shown through this family that is they're true downfall, not some law, which would attempt to regulate words.

What is truly frightening about the EU, is that thought can have you imprisoned. The question quickly becomes Who is the arbitor who decides what thought is dangerous? With that, comes a systematic dissolution of other law, such as the case of Ernst Zundel, who (regardless of his thoughts or writings) was illegally extradicted first to Canada, and then to Germany, to be tried for thought crimes.

I am completely with you all, that these people are horrible, and they are corrupting their children. But no law could inflict as much damage as the public disgust that this kind of open hate can inspire. In fact, imprisoning people for their thoughts rather than their actions can bring much more attention to their thoughts, and create a groundswell of sympathy for such people...think of Charles Manson, or all the Black Panthers...good or bad, by systematic subversion of such things, one creates a reason for suspicion of the motivations behind that suppression.

I guess what Im saying is, citizens can kill these little bitches, but if the govt does it, it will only throw fuel on the fire.

prussian blonde wrote: Where freedom exists for only those with darker skin,
Where lies and propaganda will never let you win.
Where symbols of your heritage are held with such contempt,
And benefits of country ’cept tax are you exempt.

Aryan man awake,
How much more will you take,
Turn that fear to hate,
Aryan man awake.

computo wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

This is some of the scariest shit Ive seen in a LONG Time....

12micsn1 wrote:

computo wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

This is some of the scariest shit Ive seen in a LONG Time....

You are right about this being scary but its a worldwide problem. This type of ideology is being preached everyday in many forms to the young. Except, in other countries young people who are taught this way are given weapons an allowed to act with violence then voice there views in music. If that scared you dont want to watch this video on Al qaeda in Sudan which i remember you saying didnt exist or anything else i can expose. You will find America an the rest of the West has far more problems to worry about then wanna be Olsen twins.

http://acage.org/mmedia/

computo wrote:ok, I'm gonna say something, just remember I posted this article, and I am utterly horrified by it.

But.

The US has always held this kind of free speech as an example of the freedoms that are afforded in this nation, as well as an example of how law has no purpose in regulating hate.

Its really the bonafide incompetence and ignorance that is shown through this family that is they're true downfall, not some law, which would attempt to regulate words.

What is truly frightening about the EU, is that thought can have you imprisoned. The question quickly becomes Who is the arbitor who decides what thought is dangerous? With that, comes a systematic dissolution of other law, such as the case of Ernst Zundel, who (regardless of his thoughts or writings) was illegally extradicted first to Canada, and then to Germany, to be tried for thought crimes.

I am completely with you all, that these people are horrible, and they are corrupting their children. But no law could inflict as much damage as the public disgust that this kind of open hate can inspire. In fact, imprisoning people for their thoughts rather than their actions can bring much more attention to their thoughts, and create a groundswell of sympathy for such people...think of Charles Manson, or all the Black Panthers...good or bad, by systematic subversion of such things, one creates a reason for suspicion of the motivations behind that suppression.

I guess what Im saying is, citizens can kill these little bitches, but if the govt does it, it will only throw fuel on the fire.

Amberience wrote:The girls are old enough now to make decisions for themselves. If they carry on going along with this shit, they're just as culpable as the parents.

netchaiev wrote:

12micsn1 wrote:

computo wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

This is some of the scariest shit Ive seen in a LONG Time....

You are right about this being scary but its a worldwide problem. This type of ideology is being preached everyday in many forms to the young. Except, in other countries young people who are taught this way are given weapons an allowed to act with violence then voice there views in music. If that scared you dont want to watch this video on Al qaeda in Sudan which i remember you saying didnt exist or anything else i can expose. You will find America an the rest of the West has far more problems to worry about then wanna be Olsen twins.

http://acage.org/mmedia/

I watched and read some of the articles and really can't stand this mixtures of mixing muslims and arabs and fundamentalist: this is right wing garbage. Misinformation and all. If you wanna defeat "global extrimism" start by checking references and your language.!
BTW this video is sh*t.. you don't hear anything,plus it's dubbed, in all fareness it could be a fake. If you want to fight something, your argument have to be irreprochable! Can't fight or critisize something for the wrong reasons or with bad arguments, the effets being the opposites (see farenheit 911 for that mater!).