As a DJ tool, Ableton is horrible.

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As a DJ tool, Ableton is horrible.

Post by dj_statikfire » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:26 am

Laundry list..

- no multiple cue points for the same clip?
- Mixmeister has a FAR superior beat detect/matching algorhythm
- MP3 support was a bit late coming
- No realtime switching of sets / no multiple instances

The saving grace for this software is the ease of integration with any midi controller. This is more of a triggering software than a true DJing software.

And another thing...

HOW ABOUT ADDING A SIMPLE WAV EDITOR?

I'm sure Version 6 will get it right.

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Re: As a DJ tool, Ableton is horrible.

Post by supster » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:49 am

dj_statikfire wrote: - no multiple cue points for the same clip?
- Mixmeister has a FAR superior beat detect/matching algorhythm
- MP3 support was a bit late coming
- No realtime switching of sets / no multiple instances

- why do you need multiple cue points in one clip? make a new clip instance down the grid

- learn how to warp your tracks, you dont need autowarp if you know what you're doing

- you have mp3 support now. i totally dont see your point

- why do you need multiple sets for DJing?? this also makes no sense to me.

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Post by MrYellow » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:50 am

As a musicians tool Ableton is wonderful..... Go figure....

- no multiple cue points for the same clip?

Copy the clip.... Set it up different.

- Mixmeister has a FAR superior beat detect/matching algorhythm

Mattel make great MIDI controllers.

- MP3 support was a bit late coming

The past.... A great place to live..... It now does support MP3 so forget
bout it..... Now you can play your really low quality files to the masses.

- No realtime switching of sets / no multiple instances

Yeah because it's so efficient doing it that way.

Wave editor? What you don't have one that is perfectly suited to your
needs and that you love working with? Just set it as your external wave
editor.

Where the hell is my kitchen sink!!!!

-Ben

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Re: As a DJ tool, Ableton is horrible.

Post by Ambioun - Techno Man » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:59 am

Well grow up because at least there is something. Live is fine and flexible and you should be grateful it even exists.

+ Mixmeister takes all the fun out of DJing. Take some chances for once.
dj_statikfire wrote:Laundry list..

- no multiple cue points for the same clip?
- Mixmeister has a FAR superior beat detect/matching algorhythm
- MP3 support was a bit late coming
- No realtime switching of sets / no multiple instances

The saving grace for this software is the ease of integration with any midi controller. This is more of a triggering software than a true DJing software.

And another thing...

HOW ABOUT ADDING A SIMPLE WAV EDITOR?

I'm sure Version 6 will get it right.

THX,
Jason D

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Post by supster » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:03 am

MrYellow wrote: Wave editor? What you don't have one that is perfectly suited to your
needs and that you love working with? Just set it as your external wave
editor.

yeah, and the wav editor:

- what kind of simple wav editor tasks do most people do on a regular basis that cant be done faster and better by copying the clip to arrange view, working on it there and consolidating?

i use this program every day and as i recall there was one time in possibly the last 4 months that i needed soundforge to wav edit: converting a couple of left-channel stereo drum samples to mono.

and even that i could have done faster if i thought of rendering the sample to disk thru the utility plug. which i just thought of right now.

i dont see a single point that was made by the original poster that made any sense whatsoever

blatant troll imo.
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Post by computo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:39 am

hahaha...

wahwahwah, blah, I cant do what I want out of the box...

old arguements...

Live can do whatever you want it to, especially if you have a few other pieces of software to specify it for your needs.

educate yourself, buddy.

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Post by LOFA » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:06 am

5 is all about the external drag and drop.

I would like to be able to consoidate without stopping playback though.

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Post by muthafunka » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:19 am

nyah..whatever...fergedit..apols
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Re: As a DJ tool, Ableton is horrible.

Post by robin » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:21 am

dj_statikfire wrote:- no multiple cue points for the same clip?
this is what Live Clips are for.

work ok for me.

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Post by djsynchro » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:22 am

So don't use it.

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Post by jms5881 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:52 am

Yeah, I too have noticed that Mixmeister has a superior beatmatching scheme going on but as far as I can tell you can only do very linear mixes. YOu can create a hitmix compilation CD with MixMeister but you can't really DJ with it.

I'm not to arms up in the air over Ableton supporting mp3's. I think the reasons for not supporting mp3's were fairly obvious in the first place. It's time to move on. ANybody out there using FLAC instead of mp3? Seems like an obvious enough switch to me but folks are slow to catch on and EDM Digital is on of the few sites offering FLAC digital downloads.

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Post by hambone1 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:55 am

Only because most deejays aren't bright enough to figure it out...

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Post by jms5881 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:59 am

I almost forgot....A wav editor in live? Given the logistics, I think thats easier said than done. Live needs to do what it does PERFECTLY. Remeber the Live4 days where it would never crash? That what it was all about. Give me something I can play out with and not worry about crashing when I'm dragging in large clips to my session and I'm continue to happily edit wavs in wavelab.

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Post by DISUYE » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:11 am

As a studio production tool, Technics 1200's are rubbish.

Er,

Dan

:)

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Post by robin » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:15 am

DISUYE wrote:As a studio production tool,
:)

Live is a performance tool first. Meant as a next gen instrument.

If it works as a DJ tool and a studio production tool then all the better.

Right that's me for this thread as I can see that it's gonna degenerate into the usual mess.

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