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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:33 am
by louZ
I agree that crack users don't really deserve support. I also agree that it would be difficult to seperate them from demo users.

Another interesting perspective is that maybe crack users contribute a lot to the forum as well.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:03 am
by lola
Point is, what motivation is there to be legit anyway?
Support is available for anyone.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:48 am
by Johnisfaster
this ranks up there with that one guy who got mad cause anyone could download the live packs. come on guys...

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:51 am
by FaX-01
computo wrote:shut up

Bite Me :twisted: .

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:53 am
by FaX-01
louZ wrote:Another interesting perspective is that maybe crack users contribute a lot to the forum as well.

They may very well do so.
However they contribute 0% financially to the products development.
Simple fact.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:56 am
by smutek
Johnisfaster wrote:this ranks up there with that one guy who got mad cause anyone could download the live packs. come on guys...
All depends on how you look at it. Not talking about the morality of running software you have not paid for, but I fully agree that you have to be a real dick to go to a manufacturers website and participate in the forums when you are running a crack.

To be honest, I don't really care that much about a registered only forum (aleast not at the moment), but if ableton decided to do something about it and make the forum for paying customers only I would not complain. I am sure they have thought this over though and have sound reason for leaving it the way it is.

???

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:42 am
by chewy
What an idiotic idea, I have been lurking on this forum way before I bought my copy of Live 4 (and now Live 5). This place has been invaluable in my decision to take the plunge.

This should not only be a place for people who currently own Live, but also for people who are planning to.

~chewy

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:35 am
by Machinate
lola wrote:Point is, what motivation is there to be legit anyway?
the willingness to support the developers of a fine product? And for the crackheadz, a product that won't potentially go belly-up with copy-protection in the middle of a live-set? You tell me.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:22 am
by noisetonepause
Except when I forget to, I always remember a line from the Tao - "Who does not trust enough will not be trusted". I don't think we need to lock this place up to keep a couple of wankers out, in fact, I'd very much disagree with it. If someone has something valuable to contribute to this community, they can be recording to casettes for all I care. I don't think anyone is going to pay €x00 for Live to come here if they weren't going to (pay) anyways.

-Paws

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:48 am
by forge
telekom wrote:hey lola,
This point has been raised a few times before,
now there's an understatement.


Does anyone feel like groundhog day round here sometimes??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:58 am
by Machinate
The reaktor forum is a good point of reference. Massively expensive product, yet there are *still* wanker-n00b questions.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:28 pm
by noisetonepause
forge wrote:
telekom wrote:hey lola,
This point has been raised a few times before,
now there's an understatement.


Does anyone feel like groundhog day round here sometimes??
Oh dear... I think you've fucked up again!

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:32 pm
by forge
noisetonepause wrote:
forge wrote:
telekom wrote:hey lola,
This point has been raised a few times before,
now there's an understatement.


Does anyone feel like groundhog day round here sometimes??
Oh dear... I think you've fucked up again!
??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:35 pm
by noisetonepause
forge wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
forge wrote: now there's an understatement.


Does anyone feel like groundhog day round here sometimes??
Oh dear... I think you've fucked up again!
??
now there's an understatement.

Does anyone feel like that film with Bill Murray where everything goes round and round and every day's the same round here sometimes??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:42 pm
by jeskola
Machinate wrote:The reaktor forum is a good point of reference. Massively expensive product, yet there are *still* wanker-n00b questions.
you got to learn somewhere - reaktor is a very hard programme to get into, the manual doesnt explain it all, and the bits it does are mostly way over yer head to start with. We were all theyr once, wether it be ablton , reaktor or whateveer