How do you swtich from a song to another in a LIVE SITUATION

trionix · Post by **trionix** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:46 am

Hello dudes !

Is there a way to switch from a song to another, with the use of midi ?

Say you are in a live situation, when your song is over, how do you go to the next one ?

Thank you !!

Djo

atmofunk · Post by **atmofunk** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:57 am

One would normally compose their entire set into one .als file, be it an organic on-the-fly approach through the session view, or a more 'planned out' approach through the arrangement view.

or, use both

trionix · Post by **trionix** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:15 am

atmofunk !!

thanx for the input, but what if my songs have different tempo ?

thanx !!

djo

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:36 am

really well.

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:42 am

trionix wrote: but what if my songs have different tempo ?

Name your Scenes "135 BPM" or whatever and when that Scene is launched Live's project tempo will change to 135 bpm.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:26 am

Pitchblack's is proabably the best method. You can also change tempo using a Midi Controller, or if you want to adjust tempo using computer keyboard shortcuts, check out this thread.. http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 319#207319

SongCarver · Post by **SongCarver** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:18 am

this is something which hopefully the ableton crew are working on.. it's a very big problem (and you'll understand why as you get more and more songs in your repetoire)

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:59 pm

Don't confuse him by saying it's a problem......
What SongCarver means is currently you can't load a new Live Set with MIDI.

Moving onto your next song within the one Live set is something all of us
do at some stage tho and it's quite easy.

Each song goes under each other, you move down the session view through
your sections, moving from section to section and song to song.

You can adjust the tempo either with a scene name as mentioned above,
or by typing or tapping it in, or with MIDI. Setting the range of tempo set by
your knob is done by the master track settings on the arrange view.

Some also move diagonally down and to the right as each song has it's own
track effects which are unique to that song.

Countless threads on this and many related subjects.

-Ben

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:09 pm

SongCarver wrote:this is something which hopefully the ableton crew are working on.. it's a very big problem (and you'll understand why as you get more and more songs in your repetoire)

It's not a problem at all. One of my sets has almost 500 scenes in it, each with its own tempo. I can access and launch any scene within a few seconds. I decided to break it down into smaller sets, as the set loading time is painfully long with 500 scenes and 60+ tracks, and I don't need more than 100 scenes per show.

It's all been documented ad nauseumin many threads in the forum. There are tons of useful tips and tricks, and lots of good stuff in the manual.

Check out the Ableton Live Power!' book, too. It's full of great techniques.

SongCarver · Post by **SongCarver** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:25 pm

hambone1 wrote:
SongCarver wrote:this is something which hopefully the ableton crew are working on.. it's a very big problem (and you'll understand why as you get more and more songs in your repetoire)
It's not a problem at all. One of my sets has almost 500 scenes in it, each with its own tempo. I can access and launch any scene within a few seconds. I decided to break it down into smaller sets, as the set loading time is painfully long with 500 scenes and 60+ tracks, and I don't need more than 100 scenes per show.

ok hambone, it's maybe not a 'very big problem', but for some people it's a _problem. I will have to respectfully disagree with you, and while there are a bunch of nice workarounds*, there is still not an idiomatic way for the application to handle mulitple 'songs'(in the usual pop sense).

It DOES work ok if you:
- don't have a large amount of material/ can choose to work with a selection for a set
- are working more in a DJ fashion, pulling up more complete songs
- have multiple machines
- don't need simple midi direct access to each scene in each song

it works less well if you have
- songs which each have a large number of unique effects
- songs which have varied time signatures
- a large number of songs which are each made of mutiple scenes
- have an expanding repertoire

* of course there are good workarounds
- keeping everything in the one set, and using a controller/ middleman midi control to change your controllers focus
- use multiple sets and play QT files (etc) as segways
- are able to put 'sets' together
- have a workflow of 'mousing in' clips

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:33 pm

I agree it could be easier without the need for workarounds, especially if you're composing on the fly with varied effects, routings, etc.

That's far beyond my skill and talent level! I only trigger complete scenes and play live Impulse percussion over the top, so my system works well, albeit with a workaround to allow an Impulse patch to load when the scene is launched.

SongCarver · Post by **SongCarver** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:46 pm

ah yes, i can see that it would work fine for many people, but not all.

I just secretly pray that ableton has a neat song management system under the christmas tree for us.

clarpark · Post by **clarpark** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:29 am

"a big problem" is overstating it...but it is not ideal yet. i am not a dj triggering clips in live therefore the solutions given above are nearsighted and irrevelant to me. we are musicians recording live on the fly with extremely elaborate processing and mixing. each song runs into to 50-70% range. At the end of each song i have a midi track triggering a quicktime video (using vidvox grid2) as a segway. then I manually stop, save, close, goto finder and open the next session.

i was hopeing Live would take advantage of automator in mac os10.4 soon. i tried quickeys but that was dodgy.

http://www.thegoodlisteners.com

divonic · Post by **divonic** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:55 pm

I have a question. I don't have live 5 yet but isn't there a feature where each channel from a track is also saved. couldn't you just pull in the new channels and then switch and delete the old ones. (or pulls the new ones in one at a time and delete old ones one at a time and "mix" from song to song that way?) sure there isn't a way to do this in midi and you have to have the processor power to do it. . . . I do all original music but I don't want to stop one song and start another I want to morph from one to another. I currentlly have an uper set but I think the above would work better.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:08 pm

You can do that and many other variances of it.

Some of the people above are talking about a very specific thing, the
ability to load new Live set files with MIDI...... Something that would require
you stopping the audio anyway.

The better way is just to put all the songs in one file, either down the page
as different scenes using the same tracks, or diagonally across using
different tracks for each song with different effects, or by dragging in tracks
or whole sets from other live set files.

It's really not that hard, it's just some people would like the ability to load
new files in with MIDI, something which may be a little misguided as the
audio engine needs to stop to load new files.

Don't get confused by all this talk of it being a problem, they are talking
about a very specific way of doing things, when there are plenty of existing
ways of doing it which work great.

-Ben