forge wrote:in light of the small bits I read I could potentially understand how a doctrine that is based on admitting you are "hopeless".......
For the umpteenth time, it is not
we admitted we were hopeless!!!!!!!!!
It is we admitted we were powerless. Please, try to remember that!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud forge!
I don't know why but every-time you say that it makes me laugh.
Ok, if I went to my first NA meeting and they said "you must admit that you are hopeless........." I would have turned around and left and never came back. It would have been like a slap in the face.
ME: "Hi, I'm Jimmy, I'm an addict and I need help getting clean..."
The NA group: "Hi Jimmy, welcome, The first thing you must do is admit you are hopeless."
ME: "uhhh...... what?"
Them: "Go ahead, your hopeless, just admit it."
ME: "umm, hopeless, as in having no hope, no chance, and so on?"
Them: "Thats the one, go ahead, admit it!!!!!!! ADMIT IT!!!!!!! HOPELESS!!! SAY IT!!!!!!"
ME: "umm........ later..."
See what I mean.
The correct context is this:
We admitted we were powerless
over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable.
We, as in, I am not alone
Admitted as in, yes, this is or was the case.
Were, past tense - because once we stop using we have some power over it
Powerless, we could not control it
Addiction, our use of drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, whatever it is we use to escape ourselves.
Unmanageable: Things had gotten just a wee out of control. Whether we were robbing crack dealers to score a fix or if we missed payment on the mercedes for the second month.
Its totally different dude, in fact, NA/AA are programs based totally around hope. There is hope, thats the premise, not "we were hopeless".
And all of that aside, and as I wind up yet another lengthy post, I will totally stick by what I said earlier.
NA/AA is not for everyone, but never, under any circumstances, is it ever "destructive".