did ableton crack there own software?

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njh
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did ableton crack there own software?

Post by njh » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:51 am

been reading about this on another forum. i also heard my post gets deleted if i mention it.

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Post by njh » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:00 am

no one has an anser eh?
this is what some people have said on another forum


"just an additional Question...

Has anyone had problems using Ableton??

Lots of People have had issues, because apparently
the Copy Protection Kicks Back In, after a while,
sometimes months...and they're Screwed, to keep on using it!!

Also, they're screwed to Re-install it, because something
nasty is left on your Drive when you delete, that won't let
you use the Crack again...!!"

"My cracked version of Live 5 did that about a month ago, Ive been using a legit copy of Live Lite, which I own, and I plan on upgrading to Live 5 and paying.
I think its absolutely genius what theyve done by making a fake cracked version."


"I know a couple of people who have come a cropper with that. Basically the cracked version periodically tries to connect to the internet (I know this from when I demoed it with a crack). After about 6 months or something if it hasn't been able to do so and verify the registration it pops up with a message to say "you are using an unlicensed copy of Live, please call tech support" and won't allow you to use it again.

This is interesting though - the legit version of Live doesn't try to connect to the net; which would seem to indicate that Ableton have had something to do with releasing the crack as a time barred demo. A good marketing ploy - let people get hooked on it then make 'em pay Laughing"

"from what i've heard, you do want to be careful with that ableton live one...

it is only a matter of time before it'll implant its security thing in your registry, and then i think the idea is that you go crawling to ableton and tell them you've been bad, before you're going to get any of their software working on your machine again..."

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Post by The Phat Conductor » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:10 am

good thing i bought my copy :D
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Post by njh » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:13 am

so did i (its the only legit software i own besides magix music studio) but its still interesting .

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Post by blank » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:07 am

Its pretty weird to think that ableton is cracking their own software.

Especially when cracks comes from warez group that crack steinberg apps, voxengo apps, fxpansion apps, virsyn apps. ect...

So the other cracks are just for hiding the truth ?


anyway...





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just say no to cracks

Post by AndrewDuke » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:06 am

Why don't we just not support cracks by only
buying software? And if we can't afford a piece
of software that we want, then use the demo
until we can afford it? You can't "crack"
groceries to get them free, fuel for your car,
etc, so why should you use cracks of software?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Andrew

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Post by unusable » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:16 am

I'm not really sure I understand "ableton cracking their own software".

It's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. this other forum i bet is a real authority in cracking software :roll:

did the crack say something to the effect of "cracked by team Ableton" in the text file? :P

if it stops you from using it in a month it is beacuse someone did their job in the protection department, or the more realistic scenario is that the people cracking it damaged some registries during the crack
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Post by AdamJay » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:18 am

unusable wrote: if it stops you from using it in a month it is beacuse someone did their job in the protection department, or the more realistic scenario is that the people cracking it damaged some registries during the crack
this is the most logical post i've seen in this entire thread.
well, tied with andrew's
:)

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Post by ploy » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:29 am

however, i just can't wait for the day my cracked (and installed in early december) live will crash and force me to call the support. let me see if they can help me.

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:30 am

umm you're actually wrong about the crack being unusable after the time up thing & a reinstal, there is a way but im a legit user now so i aint telling ;)

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Post by MrYellow » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:36 am

It's called "Fade" the new trend in copy protection.

You make your software easy to crack with techniques crackers are used to
using. Then you include a 2nd layer of copy protection that takes months to
kick in. Because of the time delay crackers have real trouble testing their
crack against a fade and won't know the crack hasn't worked for quite some
time.

Personally I believe the audio software industry owes a lot to crackers.
Lots of free marketing.

Look at 3D Studio Max..... Thousands of kids got it for free, got real good
at using it and then went out into the world. Next business discovered the
huge talent pool and they started selling a lot more of their software.

It's like an extended demo for poor people. Kinda like how porn sites give
passwords to password trading sites which give away free access to
members only sites. These password sites have a lot of traffic and free
access to members areas just serves as an extended free tour showing
surfers what they'll get if they do signup. It's win-win.

-Ben

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Post by bathyscaaf » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:41 am

A friend of mine had this happen to him (coincendentally, while he was connecting to these very forums). He just upgraded from Live Lite 'cause he liked it so much.

I've had a legit copy -- bought Live 2 right before 3 came out. I have a firewall set up that would tell me if Live wanted to phone home, so yeah, I guess the legit versions don't do that. Pretty smart, though.

If it's regularly timed on a sabotaged version, though, why would it have to phone home anyway? Since it shuts down the program if it doesn't connect (taking your word for that, as my friend did connect), then the only reason I could see is to send information about the user back to Ableton, which could be an ethical/legal problem if they didn't specify that they were doing this in the EULA of the cracked version they distributed. Maybe they did. Nobody reads the damn things.

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:49 am

Chuck Norris made that crack.

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Post by sqook » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:57 am

MrYellow wrote:Look at 3D Studio Max..... Thousands of kids got it for free, got real good
at using it and then went out into the world. Next business discovered the
huge talent pool and they started selling a lot more of their software.
Yes, this is true, and I can think of a number of other examples as well (macromedia, for instance). However, I can't think of how this scenario would benefit a company such as ableton....

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Post by bathyscaaf » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:58 am

I almost totally agree. That works when you're talking about programs that are used and licensed by businesses, i.e. 3DSMax, Photoshop, Flash, etc. There are companies paying for the software, and the people using cracked versions would have never gotten a legit copy anyway, especially when they could spend the money on more important things like food and rent.

The same model doesn't work with Ableton, as there aren't hundreds of companies out there licensing Live for production work -- Live is aimed at musicians. Individuals. If a musician can get it for free, why would they buy it? I'm not lily-white when it comes to cracks, but ethically (for me), a company as small as Ableton should be paid (of course, I bought it when it was pretty cheap and the upgrades weren't especially painful -- it's a nice chunk o' dough nowadays). Autodesk and Alias and Adobe can afford it. Hell, they should make it free for non-commercial use, it could only help them make more money.
MrYellow wrote:It's called "Fade" the new trend in copy protection.

You make your software easy to crack with techniques crackers are used to
using. Then you include a 2nd layer of copy protection that takes months to
kick in. Because of the time delay crackers have real trouble testing their
crack against a fade and won't know the crack hasn't worked for quite some
time.

Personally I believe the audio software industry owes a lot to crackers.
Lots of free marketing.

Look at 3D Studio Max..... Thousands of kids got it for free, got real good
at using it and then went out into the world. Next business discovered the
huge talent pool and they started selling a lot more of their software.

It's like an extended demo for poor people. Kinda like how porn sites give
passwords to password trading sites which give away free access to
members only sites. These password sites have a lot of traffic and free
access to members areas just serves as an extended free tour showing
surfers what they'll get if they do signup. It's win-win.

-Ben

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