did ableton crack there own software?

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Post by network.funky » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:47 pm

atmofunk wrote:all i know is that a demo that doesn't let you save your progress is completely useless in my books.

disable rendering, disable up to X amount of tracks.. disable whatever, just don't disable SAVE or there's no way ANYONE can get into the damn program efficiently enough to make the decision to buy or not.
So long as you don't close Live you can work on a full project to enough of an extent to evaluate Live.

I used it for a week and just put my PC into Hibernate each time I'd finished. I got a whole project done with warping, some of the built in synths etc. which was more than enough to give me the inkling that Live would work for me.

I think save disable is a pretty good "demo" mode. Better than white noise every 30 seconds!
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Post by galo » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:25 pm

what are the other live forums ?

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Post by mada-x » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:20 pm

atmofunk wrote:all i know is that a demo that doesn't let you save your progress is completely useless in my books.

disable rendering, disable up to X amount of tracks.. disable whatever, just don't disable SAVE or there's no way ANYONE can get into the damn program efficiently enough to make the decision to buy or not.

For me, a proper demonstration ("test drive" if you will) is being able to sit down and actually make something, not just "look under the hood". For this, i thank the crackers way back in the day (version 3) for making it possible for me to decide that Live was the software I wanted.

So yeah, there is a purpose for the underground.



This post is absolutely 100% on point. This is exactly why I had used a cracked version initially . I completed three songs in it and then I was hooked. Then I wnt out and bought it. Demos are useless.

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Post by Scube » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:02 pm

Honestly, I don't understand. Where is the problem? I remember that 4 years ago someone told that Steinberg WAS Paradox. Yes, you unerstood, Paradox = internal division of Steinberg. I don't know if that rumor was true and frankly I was not shocked by it. I was happy to use the cracked copy of Cubase a part of the original cracker.. (After 3 years, when I had the chance, I bought their product Nuendo). I bought Live! 3 with a RME audiocard. I bought 2 updates also and I'm happy of my choice. It's a rock, it never crashs. Concluding...be happy of your FREE cracked softwares and don't complain about its related problems.

Antonio

P.S. I'm sure you see conspiracies everywhere...echelon, 11 september.. :lol:

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Post by ploy » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:35 pm

just an alternating idea:

maybe this fade-mechanic is just a funny greeting card. software-delevopers are working in a hard, but wonderful and challenging creative process and so they're becoming aware of the basic theories in "idealism" which let's you handle every problem life can produce easily.

in fact, "the ultimate copy-protection" scientifically is no great problem, it's just about implenting some parallel secret doors, maybe a little network of it which maybe generate some code for itself within itself. no deal. the point is, the love codec is forbidding ugly measurings like that. so all we talk about is a very nice joke.

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Post by MrYellow » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:35 pm

Whats that for bullshit.
There are demo versions available.
And if someone like's a app, the word will be spread also.

Cuz of the cracks, software gets more expensive for their legit users.
Demos are 95% usless. You can't use them, you can't get hooked, half
the features don't work... It's not an evaluation, it's fodder for the
magizine disk market. No one spreads work of mouth after using a demo,
they don't know if the software is any good, only after using it do they care
enough.

I seriously wouldn't waste my time downloading 500meg of demo for
something I can't even use enough to see if it works and that will totally
stop working after a few uses.

Do you actually believe that record/movie industry bullshit about piracy
making things more expensive. Plenty of people here in the industry,
plenty of us know the margins on CDs and where the money goes. Piracy
has nothing to do with the cost of a CD, paying all the executives and
lawyers is about it. Cut out the majors and the price of CDs will be half.

If you can't beat them, join them. It's great marketing.

How do I know? I'm a software developer who has used it.

-Ben

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Post by djadonis206 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:49 pm

MrYellow wrote:
Demos are 95% usless. You can't use them, you can't get hooked, half
the features don't work... It's not an evaluation, it's fodder for the
magizine disk market. No one spreads work of mouth after using a demo,
they don't know if the software is any good, only after using it do they care
enough.


-Ben

er you're just joking right? I demo stuff all the time - if it's hot I buy it if it's whack oh well

I've demo'd just about everything I own at one point or another

I would never blindly buy a piece of software without giving it a go

If it turns off every minute no biggy it always comes back on - I'm deep into Zeta and Vanguard right now and it's a toss up

Sorry but I think Demo's are invaluable
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Post by suspended childhood » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:54 pm

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Post by MrYellow » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:06 pm

Download their music. You'll be expanding their audience.
You'll tell and show more people.... Someone will buy it.

What's better, 100% of 500 people buying.... or 1% of 500,000?

Shit some musicians have side tracked the majors completely and become
just as popular as bands which have millions spent on marketing.

Majors are starting to wake up to this, they'll get it sooner or later.

Shit just the other day there was a big fight between webmasters over a
site that downloads adult content from newsgroups and puts it on a website
which he then charges for access. He's making money off stolen content.
Everyone was up in arms....... We emailed him, got a login and uploaded
all our trailers.....

Some people are overly protective of non-tangable products.... Some
people are smart about getting them out there and spreading the word.

edit: To get back to the subject..... If using software for commercial gain
most people will buy it for sure. If using software on a regular basis most
poor people will even buy it. If using software that stops working after a
month or 2, many people will buy it. So what's your point? Ableton is
getting paid..... They are getting more users..... More people are aware of
their product.... More people are talking about their product.... More people
are buying their product..... I'm sure their quite happy about that.... So wtf
is your point?

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Post by djadonis206 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:19 pm

you're actually right - I knew some guys using Reason (of all programs ) illegally if you will

they were even putting out jams - no problem

but as their careers got more serious they just bought the damn thing

most people do - you sort of have to to keep up with the bug fixes, features etc

Now some people download cracked stuff and it does nothing for them and it just sits on their HD for months (they don't use it) but 9 times out of 10 the program they do use they'll buy...it's a love thing
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Post by MrYellow » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:55 pm

How many thousands of ppl download his music?
How many thousands of ppl buy his music?

It's not so black and white mate.....

Even if 80% of people got his music for free there would still be 20% that
wanted it on CD or whatever......

If those 80% show 5 people each......

Would you rather 100% of a 2gram pie? or 1% of a 1kg pie for lunch?

Nothing is 100% in this world. Never will be.

I can't agree with "if people downloaded my music".... It makes more
sense if he said "if EVERYONE downloaded my music" but that's never
going to happen so it's not a valid point. Even if it did happen there would
be other revenue streams to find a world where *everyone* *always*
downloaded music for *free*. Marketing and making money is a creative
process, you have to be inventive. If there did come a day where no one in
the world ever paid for music, then there are sooooo many more ways to
make money then just selling tangibles.

Think about it just a little..... Just a lil tiny bit.

-Ben

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Post by MrYellow » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:05 am

u know what..... back to the subject....

Don't bother replying.... It's obvious you're not a person that understands
money and are doomed to always have none.... So I'm pretty bored with
trying to explain it to you.

-Ben

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Post by djadonis206 » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:07 am

MrYellow wrote:u know what..... back to the subject....

Don't bother replying.... It's obvious you're not a person that understands
money and are doomed to always have none.... So I'm pretty bored with
trying to explain it to you.

-Ben
who are you talking to?
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Post by njh » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:14 am

wow i was sure i would get flamed for posting this, im glad to see alot of people have the same view on using cracks as myself. i have also used plenty of cracks to fully demo a software, most of wich i find i dont need or are a gimmick (like guitar rig). once i find something i like (when i do get the money) i buy it. the truth is though i very rarely have disposable cash to spend on software, wich makes me wonder how makers of music apps charge $399.00 on average for there software, when game develpoers charge $50.00 on average. i have heard the arguement that more people buy games but, i feel if software like ableton or (more so ) reason was at a working mans rate (say $150.00) than more people would be buying this software. here is something i dont think developers of music software take in consideration when jacking prices up and should think about before claiming there product is an all in one music app: 1. besides paying a rediculous price for software i have to buy a pc that is able to run the software (lets be honest a decent laptop cost $799.00 on up) then i must buy a sound card ( the cheapest firewire is around $199.00) after that i need to buy some sort of midi controller to make any use of the real time features of the software (decent controllers are $199.00 on up). after purchasing all this plus the software i am now in close to $2,000 (at the lowest end).
i am not saying ableton live or reason isnt worth paying for im just saying that the marketing team really should think, are we going to sell this software at a fair price for everyone or are we going to jack up the price so high that most people will only ever use a crack of it.

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