an open letter (sorta) to the dance music community - pt 1

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an open letter (sorta) to the dance music community - pt 1

Post by tylast » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:37 am

Just thought I'd post the e-mail for those not on the PlanetX distro e-mail list, I've posted it (punctuation corrected). I've been buying vinyl from these guys since 1993! Go on Spike with your bad self! ;)
Dear winter music conference,

We go through this just about every year, don't we?

While we all pretty agree that apple does a great job with itunes, they are certainly not "real" enough to be considered a "dance music retailer". Sure, they might sell "dance music" but that certainly doesn't make them a "DMR". Hey! I know it's all about the bottom line but at what point does WMC actually serve the DM Community instead of themselves and mr jobs & co bottom line? Does ol' steve j REALLY need more money?? We all would be interested in WMC disclosing if itunes - or any other nominees in any catagory for that matter - are in any way contributing sponsorship money to your event.

Listing itunes is an insult to the many people who through the years have supported DM (and not pimped it [and every other type of music for that matter] to sell ipods). It goes without saying that the last couple years have not been great years for the DM Community, but instead of showing much need support to it "life blood" (because as JFK noted - a rising tide raises all boats) - you've sold out to "the man".

This has nothing to do with being "underground" or anything naive and dated like that - i've been doing this to long to even imply that. But this IS about you REALLY supporting the community you portray yourself to be a member of. But by the looks of it, you are just another corporate vampire sucking the life out something with soul.

Like red sez - dumbass! Looking forward to hearing from you.

mark "spike" simchock
ruthless ruler
www.planetxusa.com
"honest & legit since 1990"

p.s. and please spare us all the crap about "well, we just take nominations...blah blah blah". Categorically the itunes nominations should have been ignored. Gawd knows you need some sort of legitimate criteria - another one of your nominees professes to be a "dance music specialist" and they don't even sell slip mats (they aren't digital, they sell vinyl!), nor do they don't even have the necessary intelligence to supply a release's catalog/matrix #. Heck, they don't even show the release's country. To neglect these BASIC tools of a DJ boarders on blasphemy. Again, such asinine nominations should be ignored. If you're gonna put the time in to give an award at least make it worth something. As it is, your nominations list has clearly devalued the winner's prize.

Finally, to those of you who are getting this email please vote for us in the category: "best store not nominated" and also under "the only store with the a backbone". And please think next time you see someone pull some lame half assed shxt like this, whether it's in this industry, politics, the local paper or anywhere. Crap is crap and more intelligence-insulting crap is the last thing this world needs at this point.

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Post by Ambioun - Techno Man » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:05 am

true, itunes does not really sell anything but stuff like "super frog"

kinda sad actually :-(

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Post by solar28 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:49 am

While I would love to see better dance music on ITunes, I DO have to say that they have a TON of quality content, obscure albums, classic comedy albums, etc.

I was disappointed when I couldn't find Outside The Reactor Vol 1 ANYWHERE but eMusic.com (check them out!) and Amazon.com.

But doing a search for my favorite artists in rock/classic rock/jazz/metal/jam bands/etc there are a great many songs! I love too that I can get relavent songs from only "OK" records at 99 cents a pop.

I know that anybody who thinks ITunes sucks can come up with just as good of reasons as anybody else why they feel the way they do. But me, as an aspiring digital musician, am extremely glad that of all companies Apple is taking on the giant creeping bag of gas called the "traditional music industry" of the last 20 years and giving them a run for their money. I'm not saying Jobs is perfect or Apple or anything like that, but I can't personally look at my world and see that they've brought more negative than positive.

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Post by D K » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:14 am

as an independent artist who makes instrumental music, i for one am glad that itunes carries my music. it's not perfect, not near ideal as far as sound quality, but my art can reach people it never would have otherwise. it doesn't piss me off nearly as much as what alot of dj's get paid in comparison to the touring artist who actually creates the music.
but hey, in the end i'm eternally thankful to both for presenting the art to the public.
my .02 anyway.

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Post by Obineg » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:06 am

sounds like this guy is going broke with his shop and blames itunes . . .
But this IS about you REALLY supporting the community you portray yourself to be a member of.
=Support my shop or you're a lamer.
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Post by nuperspective » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:26 am

i dont think thats the case. it is a nonsense to nominate itunes. if you want to pay top dollar for the album versions or single edits of tracks from artists on major labels. it awesome. if you want more 'real' tracks look elsewhere.

as for the WMC its long been a joke. with one or two fringe players going to get a leg up, or put on some good parties. the rest is just a corporate backslapping session to provide the music press someting to talk about until ibiza fever kicks in again in the summer.

DM split a long time ago, in the same way rock music did. pop and indie labels of the eighties ring a bell? look back now, and look at how many classics from the eighties and early nineties are on indie labels [the smiths, pixies, my bloody valentine]. end of the day just keep doing what your doing and decide what camp your in. pop dance or indie dance.

it must be hard trying to keep a business going when the big boys are pushing you out. and then the final kick in the bollocks is the fact that the people you supported give nothing back. they just keep pushing for the extra dime. but thats the same in any walk of life.

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Post by pxruthlessruler » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:33 pm

for the record, my "issue" isn't with itunes. they are who they are and they do what they do (i.e sell ippods). what i don't like is that if the wmc is to "represent" our industry than why aren't they? why is the wmc so willing to take our money but yet the support goes to someone like itunes? the fact that so many labels flock to itunes and forget their own is a whole other rant. maybe next week ;)

planet x doesn't care about that type of nomination. we don't want it - it would ruin our 15+ year old reputation :) but when people like itunes and other(vinyl) "dance music specialists" who don't even have slipmats are the "best of the best" than someone's butt needs a serious ol' school punk ass kicking.

the fact is at this point there are A LOT of non-industry type down there and they see these things. this is the impression the wmc makes on them. they think "itunes is dance music? wow. cool" and that's the impression they live with. WRONG! if we're not gonna take care of our own, than how can we expect anyone else to respect us?? how are we going to survive (note: disco died, whole civilizations have dies, species have died) is we can't even contol our own destiny?

for those who have been around long enuff to know i/px have always been open minded, free and forward thinkng and most of all outspoken. (and i'd also like to add a sloppy typer :) this has NOTHING to do with itunes. it has to do with an organization (wmc) who makes money off the hard work of myself, my staff, my peers in retail, the label, the artist, and the collective customers, etc and then just gives us all a big "fxck you". i agree, wmc is bullshxt. has been for
ages and that's why i never go. the problem is, there are A LOT of people
(industry and non) who think that the wmc = "dance music". those people,
casual or not, spend money. LOTS OF MONEY. there are more of them than there are DJs. this isn't about elitist/in-the-know dj types, this is about all the other people who support the artist/music but paying the cover charge, buying the drinks, buying the music, etc. it is the public at large who REALLY makes this happens. so is that what we want?? the public to think itunes = dance music? and that the people who really are and have been there all along barely even exist?

the woprking definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. i am only suggesting that we stop the insanity, make better music, and support our own. funny how that's pretty much the standing rule in the hip hop community and look where that go them. sure, some of it is commercial crap but we have that "problem" too. back in the day hip-hop was in the same place as "underground dance music". now look at it. there are reasons why "dance music" isn't as big in the states as it is in europe. and the wmc's tactics are hardly a step in the right direction if we want that insanity to change.

rant over. thanks for listening. i got work to do

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Post by aikighost » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:03 pm

Obineg wrote:sounds like this guy is going broke with his shop and blames itunes . . .
But this IS about you REALLY supporting the community you portray yourself to be a member of.
=Support my shop or you're a lamer.
Well I guess if your sell vinyl you arent going to get a huge amount of support from mp3 and wav DJS. Like we have on this forum.
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Post by solar28 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:19 pm

pxruthlessruler wrote:for the record, my "issue" isn't with itunes. they are who they are and they do what they do (i.e sell ippods). what i don't like is that if the wmc is to "represent" our industry than why aren't they? why is the wmc so willing to take our money but yet the support goes to someone like itunes? the fact that so many labels flock to itunes and forget their own is a whole other rant. maybe next week ;)

planet x doesn't care about that type of nomination. we don't want it - it would ruin our 15+ year old reputation :) but when people like itunes and other(vinyl) "dance music specialists" who don't even have slipmats are the "best of the best" than someone's butt needs a serious ol' school punk ass kicking.

the fact is at this point there are A LOT of non-industry type down there and they see these things. this is the impression the wmc makes on them. they think "itunes is dance music? wow. cool" and that's the impression they live with. WRONG! if we're not gonna take care of our own, than how can we expect anyone else to respect us?? how are we going to survive (note: disco died, whole civilizations have dies, species have died) is we can't even contol our own destiny?

for those who have been around long enuff to know i/px have always been open minded, free and forward thinkng and most of all outspoken. (and i'd also like to add a sloppy typer :) this has NOTHING to do with itunes. it has to do with an organization (wmc) who makes money off the hard work of myself, my staff, my peers in retail, the label, the artist, and the collective customers, etc and then just gives us all a big "fxck you". i agree, wmc is bullshxt. has been for
ages and that's why i never go. the problem is, there are A LOT of people
(industry and non) who think that the wmc = "dance music". those people,
casual or not, spend money. LOTS OF MONEY. there are more of them than there are DJs. this isn't about elitist/in-the-know dj types, this is about all the other people who support the artist/music but paying the cover charge, buying the drinks, buying the music, etc. it is the public at large who REALLY makes this happens. so is that what we want?? the public to think itunes = dance music? and that the people who really are and have been there all along barely even exist?

the woprking definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. i am only suggesting that we stop the insanity, make better music, and support our own. funny how that's pretty much the standing rule in the hip hop community and look where that go them. sure, some of it is commercial crap but we have that "problem" too. back in the day hip-hop was in the same place as "underground dance music". now look at it. there are reasons why "dance music" isn't as big in the states as it is in europe. and the wmc's tactics are hardly a step in the right direction if we want that insanity to change.

rant over. thanks for listening. i got work to do
Well said. Put that way I would have to agree.

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Post by tylast » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:58 pm

aikighost wrote:Well I guess if your sell vinyl you arent going to get a huge amount of support from mp3 and wav DJS. Like we have on this forum.
Just wait a few weeks. :wink:

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:36 pm

I've bought some pretty cracking stuff off ITUNES

SpeedyJ
WINK
Scum Frog
Tom Craft

really good stuff for my listening pleasure

not sure what this is all about but they got jams
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Post by Moody » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:42 pm

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Post by pxruthlessruler » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:02 pm

let me try this again... this isn't about "digital music" and it's not about itunes selling "dance music". but just because you sell dance music - do not make you a "dance music retailer" in the true and honest intent of that phrase. as far as i know, walmart does too? are they a "dance music retailer". do you think WMC should get confused like that?? fxck me! apple isn't even a music retailer... they're just selling razor blades so people buy their ipods. (which btw have a MTBF of less than 2 yr from what i understand). they could care less about what itunes does. it barely makes money. one billion downloads and barely an ounce of profit!?!?! what does that tell you??? as long as it sells ipods it's ok with apple. sure, it's great that itunes sells "independent" artist/music but i don't want to hear those same artist going "i don't get the support from...". you want mom & pop, underground, etc support then "return the favour". but if you want to be a can of beans in store of beans then itunes is your place. you can't have your cake and eat it too. i digress. that's a whole other rant. #3 and counting i guess ;)

this is about music, period. the people who make it. the people who love it. the people who sell it. the people who love it. the people who give it soul. the people who give it heart. there is just NO WAY given the position and roots of independent music - any type/style of it - that itunes should be considered a "best retailer". they might be "best mass market retailer" but their greatness ends there.

and finally... the ultimate issue is with the WMC people and their influence on what the public thinks about "dance music". itunes is fine, they do what they do (sell beans and ipods). if you want to support them i could care less. but please don't complain when no one "real" supports you, or there are less and less "grass roots" level support for your or any other independent efforts.

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Post by mike holiday » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:44 pm

Ambioun - Techno Man wrote:true, itunes does not really sell anything but stuff like "super frog"

kinda sad actually :-(
not really


i agree with the letter



but itunes has more good music then i thought it would
i got an ipod shuffle (free didn't buy it) it had a gift certificate, so i had to use it...i was surprised at all the music i was into that they had
tons of poker flat etc..
and i think they are diluting the cooperate music industry a bit as well..
still they won't get my $$$$
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Post by D K » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:15 am

i do see the point, but the wmc is an industry conference...
what do you expect? it's just like cmj or sxsw...
i think this "real" talk is pure elitist scenester bullshit, btw.
do what you do to the best of your ability, be a good positive human, and don't compare yourself to others. appreciate others' success, and it will come back to you.
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