Time for an overhaul of the UI?

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Post by hacktheplanet » Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:43 am

3D interfaces suck.
2D for life!

I've always edited my computer desktops to look simple and less 3D. It's unnecessary on a 2D screen.
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Post by Robert Henke » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:25 am

Thank you for this very interesting discussion here, seriously.

We pretty much agree with you on all points regarding improvements of the design but we suffer here from the same issues as with the rest of the software - many good ideas but only a limited amount of people to do the job.
Things we want to address in the future is multi monitor support, more user control of the appereance, and tons of graphical details. But there are still quite essential things to do on the functional side of the software.... well, some day....

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Post by debu » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:45 am

DeadlyKungFu wrote:Did you ever grab klinikal's black skins?

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=
I'm very photosensitive, those klinikal black skins are in the top 5 improvements to Live for me personally in the last few years. thanks for those, are they updated for 6?

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Post by djshiva » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:51 am

i like something that looks like a spreadsheet but makes pretty/nasty noises when i ask it to.

bad grammar, i know, but drunkenness will do that to ya...

p.s. klinikal's skins rule the roost for me...
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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:54 am

I just copied the skins folder over to the live 6b12 folder and they still work.

The Abes have known that users want their own skin tweak GUI, we wait, we hope, we want. In the meantime users like Klinikal do that voodoo that they do so well.
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Post by Poster » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:49 am

supster wrote:"upgrading the interface" does not automatically mean "hotrodding it all up with cables and doodads and 20" rims with flames down the sides"

it simply means using a new paradigm that allows say ... detachable interface elements ... OR ... simultaneous dual waveform views .. OR ... seeing multiple parameter envelopes in arrangeview.. OR ... truly functional lights and buttons that appear unubtrusively when needed, disappear when not ... OR ....
agreed..
but almost all the things you mention here are UI based,
not GUI based..

the topic starter asked for an overhaul of the GUI (although he said UI in the topic title)

this thread quickly changed into a UI wish/change discussion,
while it actually had to be about the GUI..

UI = User Interface = how things work..
GUI = Graphical User Interface = how things look..

two totally independent things..

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Post by friend_kami » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:53 am

rsagevik wrote:
rbmonosylabik wrote:I'll quit music the day I'm working with Live and ask myself "is that a button?"

oh, and 3rd party plugs don't count.
yep, we should get the Abletons to make a built in
"VST to Live GUI converter feature" so all other vst`s
would look as good as Live and it`s plugs.

Rune
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Post by alvaro » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:27 pm

friend_kami wrote:
rsagevik wrote:
rbmonosylabik wrote:I'll quit music the day I'm working with Live and ask myself "is that a button?"

oh, and 3rd party plugs don't count.
yep, we should get the Abletons to make a built in
"VST to Live GUI converter feature" so all other vst`s
would look as good as Live and it`s plugs.

Rune
word.
+ 1000000


BTW, i love angstrom green grey skin, that is my favourite, i hope it still works on Live 6:

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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:09 pm

So, if Ableton's not going to implement the Paris splash - can I get in there and write the code to have like the hottest and richest sweetheart ever pop up everytime I fire up live?

no?


:(

Actually the User Interface is cool - I don't know about changing it, it's cool

dual monitor supprot would be nice though










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Post by rbmonosylabik » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:18 pm

djadonis206 wrote:Don't update the UI
Update the intro splash thing with this

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That'd make me start crying and hit my controllers while screaming "God, why are you so ·$%&/ unfair?!?! WHYYYY?!?!?!?!"
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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:22 pm

rbmonosylabik wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:Don't update the UI
Update the intro splash thing with this

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That'd make me start crying and hit my controllers while screaming "God, why are you so ·$%&/ unfair?!?! WHYYYY?!?!?!?!"
This effect.
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Post by glitchrock-buddha » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:46 pm

alvaro wrote:
friend_kami wrote:
rsagevik wrote: yep, we should get the Abletons to make a built in
"VST to Live GUI converter feature" so all other vst`s
would look as good as Live and it`s plugs.

Rune
word.
+ 1000000


BTW, i love angstrom green grey skin, that is my favourite, i hope it still works on Live 6:

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That looks pretty good. Where'd you get it?
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Post by alvaro » Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:52 pm

glitchrock-buddha wrote:
alvaro wrote:
friend_kami wrote: word.
+ 1000000


BTW, i love angstrom green grey skin, that is my favourite, i hope it still works on Live 6:

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That looks pretty good. Where'd you get it?
Take a look at this threador download here

(If you read this, thank you very much Angstrom :))
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Post by supster » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:04 pm

Poster wrote:
supster wrote:"upgrading the interface" does not automatically mean "hotrodding it all up with cables and doodads and 20" rims with flames down the sides"

it simply means using a new paradigm that allows say ... detachable interface elements ... OR ... simultaneous dual waveform views .. OR ... seeing multiple parameter envelopes in arrangeview.. OR ... truly functional lights and buttons that appear unubtrusively when needed, disappear when not ... OR ....
agreed..
but almost all the things you mention here are UI based,
not GUI based..

UI = User Interface = how things work..
GUI = Graphical User Interface = how things look..

two totally independent things..

i see what you're saying .. i do think that the two are closely related and many practical GUI changes are not possible without a corresponding UI upgrade.

example:

i could be wrong, but the current UI would probably not allow detachable interface sections (Session Grid, Mixer, Arrange Grid) that could be separated on screen, moved to new locations, and spread out over multiple screens.

i just dont think its within the capabilities of what the program is built on. this goes for any number of other requests that are way more basic or "simple" as well ...

as long as they stick with the same basic look of the program, and keep within the same philosophy, why does anyone care so much whether or not the underlying UI is different?

again -- highly HIGHLY doubt Live will ever look like Logic or Reason or anything close. i think people should give them more credit than that.

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