Support for all MIDI controllers?

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Should Ableton make a big effort to support as many MIDI controllers as possible?

YES! YES! YES!
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NO!
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MEH, Who cares?
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Support for all MIDI controllers?

Post by hoffman2k » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:30 am

There is one simple solution to enable support for any controller or any software that sends MIDI: Make a MIDI implementation chart for all Live devices!
And not just 8 parameters, ALL of them.

There are 16 times 128 CC messages in the MIDI specification. That is more than enough to cover all the parameters on a device like Operator.

Select a device, control it from any MIDI controller - or more importantly - any combination of MIDI controllers without having to "MIDI Learn" a single parameter.

That is what I call AutoMap!

Editors note: This post is different from the one I originally posted over 2 years ago. The request is still the same. Just simplified.
Last edited by hoffman2k on Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:56 am

definitely!

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Post by Contra » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:59 am

would be dope,
like Sting said in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.

in good time.

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Post by itook4lefts » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:42 am

big yessums

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Post by robin » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:28 pm

Yeah. it'd be great to see this happen. I'm sure there's a lot of Faderfox users (arguably more than Novation users, esp. in Europe) on this forum that would say yes to this.

Abes if you are listening I think this could become one of the killer features of Live (for performance and for production) and would differentiate Live from a lot of competing DAWs/live tools.

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Re: Support for all MIDI controllers?

Post by Cryptic UK » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:53 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Ableton has been very kind to unofficially support a feature that allows us to make an automapping template for our own controllers.

But compared to the features that are available to novation SL and mackie controller users, the currently implemented map is a joke.
We cant navigate around. We cant add custom LCD's or LED's to our controllers for use with Live.
We can not even make a controller map to map to editing functions like copy, paste,....

There are company's like Faderfox who have done more for Live users then any other manufacturer. Isn't it time that Ableton returned the favor to the "smaller" people.
Either native support for popular controllers like this or full support for any controller would be a step in the right direction.

We need to be able to (auto)map CC's and Note's. (at least)
So that the users can work together to increase the number of supported controllers.
There are more controllers out there then Ableton will ever be able to support.

If Ableton makes an effort to give us the tools we need to do it ourselves...
Then soon we'll actually be able to control Live LIVE.

So thats why I started this poll.
Not to force Ableton into doing this. But to show them that they have many users that want to see this "unofficial" feature become one of the most useful features of Live.

The groundwork and the concept is there. All we need now is a lot of votes to show Ableton what the users need.
hey such a big post without any :) or :wink: im proud of you :wink:

And yes i agree with you.
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Post by jahnlay » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:21 pm

Absolutely, the more control the better. Especially being able to use layers of control, ie, map one fader or knob to more than one function changeable by switching.
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Post by wilxon » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:33 pm

This would also be especially useful to people who have made their own controllers, like Robert Henke & Sasha.

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:45 pm

wilxon wrote:This would also be especially useful to people who have made their own controllers, like Robert Henke & Sasha.
yeah thats what im thinking, cant wait to get mine finished (one day)

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Re: Support for all MIDI controllers?

Post by kineticUk » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:00 pm

hoffman2k wrote:There are more controllers out there then Ableton will ever be able to support.
If Ableton makes an effort to give us the tools we need to do it ourselves...
Yeah just give us Live users the tools and we'll make them ourselves.
Like you said ableton will not be able to support all controllers anyway (It just ain't gonna happen).
Let us build our own and ableton can concentrate on providing the right tools to do this (I'd prefer it this way, so that I can customize it to the way I decide is best for me).
What does MEH mean ?
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Post by mikemc » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:14 pm

it would be nice if everything was 'automatic', but at least here's what I'd like for pushbuttons:

0) Turn the midi map overlay on.
1) Click a control in Live, push a button on your controller.
2) Something prompts to the effect of 'what do you want the Live control to do-- turn off, turn on, go up, go down, go left, go right' (where these would be apropos to the control in question).
3) Then, if one of the down/up/right/left value options was chosen 'by how much?".
4) Then "Do you want it to stay that way until the next press, or do you want it to toggle back to the original state when you lift your finger up?"
5) Then a prompt: 'To add this behavior to more controls, click "add more", then click those, then click "Done". Otherwise, just click "Done".

Also, you could assign multiple pushbuttons to the same control, one to turn it up, one to turn it down.

[edit] i feel I am somewhat geeky, not ubergeeky, but still geeky enough-- even so the whole "relative bitwise signed complement" thing makes me dizzy.

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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:19 pm

Will it help me make mad phat trance tracks with black keys?


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Post by Spiralgroove » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:21 pm

you should only have to hit midi learn the first time you connect your controller

save a profile and be done.

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Post by John Sweet » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:01 pm

What about an extra preference pane that looks like MidiStroke in version 6.0.3?

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:02 pm

Spiralgroove wrote:you should only have to hit midi learn the first time you connect your controller

save a profile and be done.
I don't agree. MIDI learn is different from MIDI map.
A MIDI map is for the good of humanity.
MIDI learn is for the spur of the moment.

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