Live Performance Test 1 and 2:

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I agree,

Post by Guest » Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:12 am

I think the marketing is funny, especially the new mac comercials their playing now, showing mac users who used to use pc's act like the pc's where too much for them to even turn on, hahah, and they claimed that they were pc IT technicians LoL, how did they get those jobs if they can't if they have to talk about computers like that? very funnnnny, and then they say they switched to macs. I think its backfiring on Apple though, because it makes them look retarded.

computers are machines, not people. Apple has spent millions of dollars making people believe that its the machines fault intstead of the user.
what a joke.
I love my ibook and my Athlon

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Post by Moogulator » Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:44 am

hmm.. got a new PB 800 G4 now, I could not install it to os x correctly because the server said "too many unlocks" ;(( but I ran it in demo mode and using one of my tracks: it has more power than my g4 500mhz dual processor mac..
I am talking about 20% plus! ;))

what does that mean: os x is not faster or uses "more dual power".. or better: its better to have lots of mhz than dual processor with live.. and: you should not have many computer!!! I don't know what to to to get an unlock code.. .. what happens, if this happens live on stage?? ;((

(I had one of those requests .. and I had to go and get another unlock number.) got it now VERY FAST!! thank to ableton!!

anyway: I like live.. but these are some strange things.. huh?..
1)4
2)30

strange, but it still has more power in the song.. but has the same results like the 500dual!.. but when I load my tracks, it has more power!!

so my conclusion is: these numbers seem not to represent the real power!!! because I did not change MY OWN tracks.. on the dual I had ONe OF MY TRACKS at max (80%), on the PB its about 63%..

so do not take these thread too serious.. I assume within your songs the values will differ.. my PB vs. dual and my own track comparisons should show it!!..
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Re: Live Performance Test 1 and 2:

Post by Alex Reynolds » Sat Jul 20, 2002 6:35 am

Make of computer: Apple PowerBook G4
Operating system: Mac OS 10.2 (Build 6C92)
CPU Speed: 800 MHz
Soundcard: Event Ezbus1 (USB)

Result for test 1: 4%
Result for test 2: 32%

Guest

Post by Guest » Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:25 pm

you are on jaguar?? and sure about 32%? my PB 800 had 30.. (512 MB ram, emi 2/6 audio 44,1khz)

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Post by Moogulator » Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:27 pm

oops, i am the moogulator who wrote that.. should not be anonymous.. see my posting for results.
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Post by Guest » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:30 pm

Make of computer: Apple PowerBook G3 + Storewell 7200 rpm firewire-HD running system, apps and soundfiles exept live recordings
Operating system: Mac OS 9.1
CPU Speed: 500 MHz
Soundcard: RME Multiface (buffersize 256, 2 X stereo in and out enabled, 44.1 kHz)

Result for test 1: 6%
Result for test 2: 34%

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Soundcard: internal
Result for test 1: 5%
Result for test 2: 30%

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Soundcard: RME Multiface (buffersize 256, 2 X stereo in and out enabled, 32 kHz - which is the settings I use, because I'm running CPU-hungry Reaktor patches as a VST-plug. I also like to record live sound without clicks, hence the not too small buffersize. I've made a RAM-disk to record into, for optimal live performance)

Result for test 1: 4%
Result for test 2: 26%

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I'm a bit disappointed by the new 800 TiBook reports - I hoped it would do a lot better compared to my G3 500. I dunno, I'm not very techie - but maybe Live isn't optimized for the "Velocity Engine" - the (supposedly) big difference between G3 and G4; somthing about processing bit sizes (http://www.apple.com/powerbook/processor.html)... ?

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Post by dhk » Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:38 pm

... and BTW, I'm Dag Henning, username dhk. Thought I was logged in; hope I am now... :?

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Post by Roel » Wed Jul 24, 2002 10:34 am

Make of computer: Laptop HP Omnibook 6000
OS: Win 2000 Prof
CPU Speed: P3 600 Mhz
Soundcard: ESS Meastro 3 PCI Audio (WDM)

Result for test 1: 2%
Result for test 2: 23%

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Post by hsonik » Wed Jul 24, 2002 1:54 pm

Make of computer: PC Athlon XP 1.6 w/ Shuttle 3.1 mobo
Operating system: WinME
CPU Speed: 1.4ghz
Soundcard: SB Live w/Asio drivers

Result for test 1: 1%
Result for test 2: 10% :D

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Live Performance Tests 1 and 2

Post by belab13 » Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:36 pm

Make of Computer: Mac G3
OS - 9.2
CPU - G4 500 mhz (sonnett zif processor)
Sound Card - Digidesign Audiomedia 3


Performance Test 1 - 11%
Performance Test 2 - 36%

I also tried it with the built in sound card with interesting results.

Performance Test 1 - 5%
Performance Test 2 - 33%

Presumably, I'm still getting better fidelity from the card even though it requires more processor. Comments anyone?

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Post by Geraldo » Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:01 pm

Well I just installed the MOTU 828 driver for OSX and the results are ... less than I hoped for.
Tibook 800Mhz
1Gig RAM

1st test: 7%
2nd test: 34%

I had slightly better results with the built in audio (6% and 31%) but based on what I know now, I am glad I kept my 1Ghz PC. The Tibook just does not do LIVE very well. Perhaps this will change with the new major ($$$) update for OSX but based on past performance I doubt it. I have read some posts that suggest Ableton may optimize for Altivec someday but I don't really think that will help much either. You can't argue with numbers. Macs are slow. My next computer will be a PC.

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Post by FORMAT » Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:13 am

Geraldo,

this is a very helpful post to me! Because I am on the verge of getting one of these beasts so I can continue using Logic, but you really helped clarify some things in your posts. Thank you very much. And I expect the performance difference to be about the same in Logic.

Now if they only continued PC development at Emagic..... Don't really feel like switching to Cubase again
8)

Cheers,

mikra

test results

Post by mikra » Sun Jul 28, 2002 5:19 am

HP Pentium 3 600mhz laptop model (omnibook 500)
256megs of ram
10gig harddrive
onboard audio

test 1-3%

test 2-26%

I bought this laptop yesterday for $700.00 it is 3lbs, has a 2usb ports, 1 pcmcia and a 12" screen and is thin as hell. today I bought a pcmcia fire wire card and a 120gig QPS firewire drive from fry's electronics. I can't believe what you can do with a setup like this. its a wonderful time to be a samplist.

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Re: Live Performance Test 1 and 2:

Post by ak » Mon Jul 29, 2002 2:39 pm

Here are my results,



Make of computer: IBM Thinkpad T21,384MbRam
Operating system:WinXP-pro
CPU Speed:850Mhz
Soundcard:internal

Result for test 1: 2-3%
Result for test 2: 18%

Live 1.51

Sytem works bulletprrof in a lot of live performances without any crash so far.

Make of computer:Homemade: AthlonT-384MB-AsusA7V
Operating system:WinXP-pro
CPU Speed:1Ghz
Soundcard:2 x Audiowerk8

Result for test 1: 0% (strange but true)
Result for test 2: 12%

live 1.51.

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Post by bobby769 » Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:29 pm

Do I understand these #'s correctly?
Lower #'s are better?

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