OT - What do you think of turntablists/scratch djs?

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Post by hambone1 » Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:04 pm

ikke wrote:
hambone1 wrote:I can listen to a turntablist for about thirty seconds before it all starts sounding the same. I don't deny that is is skillful, sometimes musical, and possibly even talented, but IMO they're one-trick ponies, and more visual masturbation that music. It's show business. Kinda like spinning plates on sticks to me.

It's not just turntablists, though. Electronic musicians with their full-body-motion filter sweeps and head bobbing, rock guitarists pulling faces as they slam a simple power chord, DJs punching the air...it's all the same to me. Hollywood show business.

I'd much rather listen to quality musicianship and songwriting than watch a 21st-century Spinal Tap.

That's just me, though...
youre a big jerk you know that
Why is that, ikke? Because I have a different opinion from yours?

http://www.answers.com/opinion&r=67

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Post by djenferno » Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:56 pm

A turntablist uses the turntable/mixer as instruments so you could say he/she is a musician. Not everyone may appreciate the sound of 'scratch' music, even when it's performed properly, simply because most people don't understand what is technically going on. It's not like watching someone play a piano or guitar where you can sort of tell what's happening, even without any background on music.

If you want to see some turntablism mixed with instruments, effects, and Ableton Live, check out these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmjORkKXl-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGink3bGFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoL2b6l9Yks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DciYLFc9uBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGEJ92mT_Q

I'm still a fan of scratching and turntablism, and still love watching a good battle. Battling was extremely fun for me personally from 98-2004. But it takes some much time and practice that you better be doing it because you love it, and not for some sort of monetary reward. It's more rewarding for me now to put that same effort into this Live project. I'd still love to be able to cut like Q-bert, Excess, Rucker etc one day, but that probably won't ever happen.

btw, Excess and Atrak (Kanye West's DJ) are turntablists, and both use Ableton Live for live scratch looping during their shows.

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Post by kineticUk » Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:24 pm

Kan Ye Fuk has a DJ...Poor sod.
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Post by Contra » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:18 am

djenferno wrote:A turntablist uses the turntable/mixer as instruments so you could say he/she is a musician. Not everyone may appreciate the sound of 'scratch' music, even when it's performed properly, simply because most people don't understand what is technically going on. It's not like watching someone play a piano or guitar where you can sort of tell what's happening, even without any background on music.

If you want to see some turntablism mixed with instruments, effects, and Ableton Live, check out these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmjORkKXl-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGink3bGFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoL2b6l9Yks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DciYLFc9uBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGEJ92mT_Q

I'm still a fan of scratching and turntablism, and still love watching a good battle. Battling was extremely fun for me personally from 98-2004. But it takes some much time and practice that you better be doing it because you love it, and not for some sort of monetary reward. It's more rewarding for me now to put that same effort into this Live project. I'd still love to be able to cut like Q-bert, Excess, Rucker etc one day, but that probably won't ever happen.

btw, Excess and Atrak (Kanye West's DJ) are turntablists, and both use Ableton Live for live scratch looping during their shows.
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Post by R.J.Dubya » Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:02 am

I would guess that appreciation of turntablism must be at least somewhat dependent on understanding of the process. The more you undersand about every movement and resulting sound, the more mesmerizing it is.

For me personally, before I got into scratching, I remember seeing some DMC championships or watching mixmaster mike or someone doing their thing, and I'd always think "Damn, why can't they just drop the beat for a little longer!" I liked it when they settled down and didn't chop things up so much. But then after I started scratching around 2000, and getting more into it, going back and watching those same dmc vids blew me away. It became much more of a visual experience, as well as just sound. Beat juggling does indeed have much of the same allure as juggling anything else, because it's a visually engaging skill of dexterity, and when you see those world class guys go at, it's not background music or club dancy music, it's a performance worthy of undivided attention.

I wouldn't want to throw on a full cd of constant turnatblism anymore than I'd want to hear a hendrix cd with nothing but solos. But it's the kind of stuff that inspires you to push your creative, innovative side that much further.

Also, scrathing at times has been about as much fun as I've ever had with music. When I've got into the zone with it, it can just as much of a high as losing yourself in guitar or anything else.

I'll never juggle, but I'll never give up scratchin'. love it.

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Post by Contra » Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:04 am

R.J.Dubya wrote:I would guess that appreciation of turntablism must be at least somewhat dependent on understanding of the process. The more you undersand about every movement and resulting sound, the more mesmerizing it is.

For me personally, before I got into scratching, I remember seeing some DMC championships or watching mixmaster mike or someone doing their thing, and I'd always think "Damn, why can't they just drop the beat for a little longer!" I liked it when they settled down and didn't chop things up so much. But then after I started scratching around 2000, and getting more into it, going back and watching those same dmc vids blew me away. It became much more of a visual experience, as well as just sound. Beat juggling does indeed have much of the same allure as juggling anything else, because it's a visually engaging skill of dexterity, and when you see those world class guys go at, it's not background music or club dancy music, it's a performance worthy of undivided attention.

I wouldn't want to throw on a full cd of constant turnatblism anymore than I'd want to hear a hendrix cd with nothing but solos. But it's the kind of stuff that inspires you to push your creative, innovative side that much further.

Also, scrathing at times has been about as much fun as I've ever had with music. When I've got into the zone with it, it can just as much of a high as losing yourself in guitar or anything else.

I'll never juggle, but I'll never give up scratchin'. love it.

rjw

well said

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Post by hambone1 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:35 pm

R.J.Dubya wrote:I wouldn't want to throw on a full cd of constant turnatblism anymore than I'd want to hear a hendrix cd with nothing but solos.
Good point. That's probably all I've ever been exposed to.

The DJ Enferno stuff is excellent. Real talent, creativity, innovation, and musicianship, not to be confused with DJing.

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Post by ikke » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:33 pm

hambone1 wrote:
ikke wrote:
hambone1 wrote:I can listen to a turntablist for about thirty seconds before it all starts sounding the same. I don't deny that is is skillful, sometimes musical, and possibly even talented, but IMO they're one-trick ponies, and more visual masturbation that music. It's show business. Kinda like spinning plates on sticks to me.

It's not just turntablists, though. Electronic musicians with their full-body-motion filter sweeps and head bobbing, rock guitarists pulling faces as they slam a simple power chord, DJs punching the air...it's all the same to me. Hollywood show business.

I'd much rather listen to quality musicianship and songwriting than watch a 21st-century Spinal Tap.

That's just me, though...
youre a big jerk you know that
Why is that, ikke? Because I have a different opinion from yours?

http://www.answers.com/opinion&r=67
opinion? youre comparing a filter sweeping techno dj with a turntablist? thats not an opinion thats just a stupid ignorant comment

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