which Soft Synth ?!

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Post by SubFunk » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:33 pm

julienb wrote:Thanks for your so precious experiences!

Pasha,
You can change presets in operator when in arrangement also using the hot swap feature. Of course this will clutter a little bit your track because changing a preset with Operator means that all possible parameter will change, it's not like a Program Change, it's more like a parameter massive change that is written as automation. I think this could also produce some gaps in sound (like Program Changes do sometimes).
Just for completeness of information.
In that case, this is not a problem for me if I used operator.
Indeed, I have two groups of tracks (when I would finish this f..g configuration, I'll post all!)
These tracks are:


1 drums
7 synth + sampler
what I'm looking for now is synth.

I use crossfader for making transition between tracks (indeed, I have time to change by dragging/droppin, I have no problem about gaps etc etc...)
But operator isn't very inspirative (for me...)

:-)

I'll check Surge, serotoninsteve!
thanks!


(I just tested Ultra Analog demo ........... WOWOWOWOWO!
the management of brwser, and almost THE SOUND!
sounds great for me
yeah the AAS stuff sonically kicks ass big time... a little tweak and ya' trousers are shakin'
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Post by R.J.Dubya » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:45 pm

I think of it this way.

If I suddenly lost everything and and to start all over, the first things I would buy again would be ableton Live 6 and zebra 2. That would keep me happy for quite some time.
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Post by julienb » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:30 pm

I have some GUI problem with Zebra2 .... grrR.. because it is so powerful
hope it is only with the demo

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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:39 am

Hello I tested all demos of the list:

imposcar => very nice analog old school !
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank with fxb patch (via Live!)
ok for program change


oddity => very nice analog old school too!
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank ?????!!!!
ok for program change investigate further


surge => very GREAT!
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank ???? investigate further..
ok for program change & sub bank & bank number... investigate further..


zebra2 => I like it VERY Much !
but some gui problem reported ... everything works fine, I tested zebralette too and .......... after that a lot of problem of GUI (blocking on "browser" menu or "perform" ...) and nothing to change that except reinstall ?!
save its bank ?????!!!!
ok for program change


z3ta => powerful ! I like it!
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank with fxb patch (via Live!)
ok for program change


tassman => nice factory ! I like it so much
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank via browser so easy, so powerful
ok for program change


lizard => nice
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank via browser so easy, so powerful
ok for program change

ultra analog => I like it so much
Ok. it may not have any problems.
seem to be stable
save its bank via browser so easy, so powerful
ok for program change


For those who tested too, I'll have at the same time more of one instance of each VSTi that will work...

any problem about that?
may it cause browser/preset patch problem?

your so precious experience of these modules would be great !

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Post by Kaizen » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:51 am

Try Rob Papen's Blue - heard it recently and it sounded great.
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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:10 am

I'll test it!

any ideas about the stability in a context where 5 or more VSTi instances of the same instrument are launched in Live 6.0.3 ??

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Post by jb61264 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:15 am

I'm a big fan of the ImageLine products (Sytrus and Toxic)

Sytrus

Toxic III
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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:53 pm

sytrus and toxic...
I'll be ruined if I cannot choos one among all of these!


I'm insisting about the stability, and the management of the patch (via Live with fxb/fxp OR via the GUI)


what about that?
any experiences with theses synth ?

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Post by fragmentated » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:59 pm

+1 for z3ta and the AAS synths. don't forget to check out the VIRUS mod for zeta - its free and turns it into almost a completely new synth. can't beat AAS for sound though IMO.

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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:01 pm

ok fragmented..
And what about stability? did you test them in performance context? no problem with GUI (zebra2 demo ... grrr!) etc?

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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:55 pm

building a config with demo
2 x (2 blue + 2 surge + 1 sytrus + 2 Ultra Analog)
why 2x, because i have two group w/crossfader for transition
the most time: MAXI 4 instru at the same time not more!

ok

I don't understand all the management of preset etc but it seems to be so easy ... of course
but it works


BUT CPU peak ...
sometimes
don't know why
never reach 60%
but ...
cycle ... constant 8/9 and suddenly (without anything) 40 50 nearly 60
and down .... to 8/9
strange
I'm afraid before buying this soft...


any ideas?

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Post by jb61264 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:29 pm

julienb wrote:sytrus and toxic...
I'll be ruined if I cannot choos one among all of these!

I'm insisting about the stability, and the management of the patch (via Live with fxb/fxp OR via the GUI)

what about that?
any experiences with theses synth ?
I have both of these vst synths and they work within Live perfectly...they are easy on the CPU and both can do some amazing things.

If you are into the FM sounds that came from the DX-7's...Sytrus can import any sysex file from a DX-7, in fact there is a bounty of DX-7 sysex files available on the web that I've imported into Sytrus...they work perfect!

Toxic is another great-sounding, low CPU useage, synth...don't have as much experience programming it but one of the reasons I got it was because I love the way that the GUI is set up for tweaking and some of the presets are da bomb!
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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:11 pm

no more peaks...
max, in action 30... but oftn 10/15

so cool!
I think I can say: my pretty config for stage & studio is complete!

I have to... buy now!

See u!
I'll post my own config soon
It may help someone, even if it isn't THE perfect config!!!

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Post by efexx » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:20 pm

Often mentioned in the last weeks here. One of the favs here seems Zebra2. It has no gui-problems. It´s the great copy-protection from urs.
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Post by julienb » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:48 pm

in the demo??!
strange...
it doesn't really drive me to buy it (too afraid...)

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