G5

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G5

Post by jamief » Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:09 am

Any people out there using the G5,s with live. Hows it looking performance and stability wise ?
I,m thinkin of buying a twin 1.8 but i,m also being told that for about a 3rd of the price i can have a dam fine pc. Ive only ever used mac for music for about 6 years now and i feel abit wary of emigrating over to pc for stability issues etc etc. i have 350 gig worth of music data i would have to port over to from mac to pc and that is a worrying issue for me. At the moment i have stuck with os 9.2.2 on the mac because its stable.
Your help needed and warmly appreciated.

Best

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Post by Guest » Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:20 pm

I don't know about the tranfer of platforms for your old files (though it seems like these days its pretty easy to go between platforms), but I can vouch that any questions of "stability" reguarding pcs are unfounded and based on experiences with older versions of windows. I gig with my xp pro toshiba all the time, and have had no problems with stability whatsoever. In reality, read around on these forums and you'll see way more recent posts about problems with different versions of osx and live (or vst effects, etc.) than live pc problems. NOt only that, but as you know there is the performance gap. The pc stability rumors are propelled by mac users, and I really think people need to try it before they diss it. Granted, systems on either platform need to be properly set up with compatible hardware and software and the latest drivers, and in general it is worthwhile to tweak xp for music (takes all of less than an hour, see musicxp.net, www.blackviper.com), but once properly set up, xp with music can be very reliable and stable with a variety of applications. Bottom line--is it really worth it to pay twice as much for a Desktop whose big new features aren't even employed by most software, and that runs Live no better than a pc laptop costing half as much??? The difference is platforms to me is not nearly what everyone makes it seem, and once your inside Live or other software, the only difference is better performance and more tracks and effects on the pc.

Ryan

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Post by jamief » Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:43 pm

Ryan thankyou for your informative reply. really good to hear your opinion on the questions i put forward.
Got a couple more
What is a good pc to buy is my next question ? Preferably a laptop. Is there any machines to avoid that have comaptibility issues with either live or cubase sx2

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Post by Guest » Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:28 pm

I really enjoy my toshiba satelite 2430--its about 11 months old now, so the specs are a bit behind--xp pro, 2.4 g P4 (desktop-in-a laptop), 1 gig RAM, RME multiface, external 7,200 RPM fw hds. I did a LOT of research before buying my toshiba, and am very satisfied. The other choices would've been sony or gateway, but the toshiba had the bang for buck factor. I read many threads about problems with Dell Inspirons (though that was a year ago, and things might be fixed), and also hps and compaqs (hey, they're cheap machines, what do you expect). If you want to run on batteries a lot (or want a smaller, quieter machine) consider the P4Mobile chips or the new centrino, both of which will add some cost for the same specs. Sonys have decent onboard sound, but if you're not using it, then the higher cost of sonys may not be so appealing. Its really crazy how much prices for laptops continue to go down as specs keep going up--check out this gateway--http://products.gateway.com/products/GC ... 75x&seg=hm

17.1" screen, dvd-r/rw, P4 3.0 HThread, 512 RAM, for LESS than my toshiba ($2,170 with 3 year warranty)--that is a bad-ass machine right there for an unbelievable price. I could sure use that extra two inches for 2-3 more tracks on the screen at once. Now I'm totally trying to figure out a way to buy that gateway--arghh, gearlust be damned. And my little bro that works at gateway say laptops with up to 2 Gigs of RAM are on the way--get down!

Anyways, glad you're realistic and are thoughtfully considering your options--xp is solid, and who wouldn't want better performance for less money???

Ryan

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Post by astromass » Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:01 am

i do layered abstract music in live in a powerbook g4 867 and i have never had an limitations with live in osX. i switched to osX 2 years ago, and i never regret it (except for the lack os audiomulch for osX!). windows is a good choice for affordability and performance, but i feel that the osX environment is more elegant and inspiring, even for other activities than music production. osX is one of my best buddies, as windows was my lukewarm acquaintance.
thanks
nyquist theorem and nyquil...

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Post by Guest » Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:07 am

elegance aside, if your music has 9+ tracks and a fair amount of effects, and you want a laptop, you are more than likely going to need a pc. i use both platforms, and really don't see this huge difference in interface--programs look the same on both os' (though performance may vary :wink: ), the file storage systems and use of icons and window boxes is the same--i really don't understand this whole infatuation with osx, but thats just me. I come from the hardware and instrument world, where bang for buck and maximum performance are more important than elegance and physical appearance. All that elegance and appearance of the beautiful titanium and osx means donkey to the performance of the applications I use--audio, graphics, and CAD, all of which with I greatly prefer the pc, just my 2 cents, the other side of the coin...

Guest

Post by Guest » Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:20 am

>>the file storage systems .... is the same

jeezzz - did you ever work seriously with a mac? I did with a PC - so the storage system is definitely not the same. They use both the same storage media, etc - but there is definitely a difference. (change the mountpoint (d: to x:) of partitions - lots of fun.)

Well - anyways, as a SX user you might definitely consider a PC I think. (although the reports on the new G5s are great - considering even that Cubase is not at all optimized for Mac - it is even amazing!) But G5s are not portable and will not be too soon.

>>if your music has 9+ tracks and a fair amount of effects
On a G5? I am not that sure about that!


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Post by jamief » Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:52 am

Thanks Ryan for your further input :D

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Post by jamief » Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Ryan ive decide to buy the parts and build my own pc. i was on the verge of buying a twin 1.8 G5 900 fsb and a23 inch apple flat screen yesterday and stopped myself from shelling out £3500. After talking with my friend another long term Mac user who recently sold his G4 and built his own it looks like i can have
2.8ghz p4 800fsb
2gb 400ddr ram
500 gig serial ata
firewire and usb 2.0
wireless broadband
and a 19 inch tft
for less than £1500

best

rrR

Post by rrR » Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:12 pm

oh damn...
I thought this was a post regarding Live on A G5...

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Post by Guest » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:40 am

Hey jamief,

good luck with it! Sad to lose a fellow mac user :( though!

I did that also once - oh, a PC is so much cheap - but the main argument for me was that some programs where not available on Mac. Hehe, was a lot of money burned. Bought a lot of good stuff to stack into it. (Funny if a pic-card does not perform because have a USB-MIDI interface or MODEM connected. And then there was that video company whos products where known to be great and professional - haha, great fun! Even a iMac which was just as expansive as the video-card itself performed better than my twice as fast PC - because this software was professional!)

And finally, if I had to do something serious - I fired up my 5 year old Mac because it could do those tasks reliably and easily - and it was even cheaper at that time I bought it. I have been there - I will not go back - never more.

wish you the best luck and fun with it though!

Best,
Steff

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Post by Guest » Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:16 am

Alex Reynolds wrote:Yes, users of Live with Windows never suffer any problems!

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5584
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5319
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5704
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5617
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5408
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5547
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5245
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5491
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5395
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4480
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5323
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5064
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5145
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3262
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4292
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4313
etc.
etc.
etc.

Yes, it's only Mac people who use a crappy OS! Windows 2000 and XP are perfect! The above list is just an unlucky fluke or two!

What's more, the only audio application you will ever use and want to use is Ableton Live. Therefore it is foolish of you to even think of using anything other than Windows! Foolish mortal! Shoo! Shoo!

-Alex
whatever dude, don't make me post all of the recent mac problems and clog this thread with dozens upon dozens of posts. And I guess I a fluke, cause I've had no problems whatsoever. Your the one using a mini disc to record the master out cause it doesnt work on your crappy os. All i can speak for is my flawless xp performance with live, sonar, fruity loops, adobe software, and microstation. I can't speak for all your links above, since I've had no problems. Good luck using your mac to record onto a mini disc, macs have clearly entered the new millenium when you have to use an external piece of hardware to render from your software, and those unexpected dropouts sound real fun too. Its too bad I can't seate every gig wondering when the dropouts will occur, and hoping they're "on the one". SPare us your completely bs eliteism, that is underminded by your posts of problems--people are sick of the bs.

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Post by Alex Reynolds » Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:54 am

Anonymous wrote:Your the one using a mini disc to record the master out cause it doesnt work on your crappy os. All i can speak for is my flawless xp performance with live, sonar, fruity loops, adobe software, and microstation. I can't speak for all your links above, since I've had no problems. Good luck using your mac to record onto a mini disc, macs have clearly entered the new millenium when you have to use an external piece of hardware to render from your software, and those unexpected dropouts sound real fun too. Its too bad I can't seate every gig wondering when the dropouts will occur, and hoping they're "on the one". SPare us your completely bs eliteism, that is underminded by your posts of problems--people are sick of the bs.
(Folks, do yourselves a favor and run a search on "Windows XP" in this forum. You'll find just as many problems running Live under Windows as with Mac. Educate yourselves.)

The links I cite are Abletons', not mine, and are topics that are started by Windows users who report problems.

So Ryan, pretty please, with sugar on top, take your constant trolling somewhere else. While I'm not going to waste my time picking your garbage apart, I am calling shenanigans on you.

-Alex

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Post by Guest » Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:42 pm

[quote="Alex Reynolds
(Folks, do yourselves a favor and run a search on "Windows XP" in this forum. You'll find just as many problems running Live under Windows as with Mac. Educate yourselves.)

The links I cite are Abletons', not mine, and are topics that are started by Windows users who report problems.

So Ryan, pretty please, with sugar on top, take your constant trolling somewhere else. While I'm not going to waste my time picking your garbage apart, I am calling shenanigans on you.

-Alex[/quote]

Jeez, now you made me do it.

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5750
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5691
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5748
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5748
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5568
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=994
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5679
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4223
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5533
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5546
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4161
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5519
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5421
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4953
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5359

In your words there are just as many problems with both platforms. If thats the case, then why pay more for less performance--so that you can use that fancy mini disc player as part of your system?? And I think you need to look up trolling in the dictionary to find your name--I post to try and help people, like in this thread where homeboy save 2/3 of his money AND got a faster machine. The only posts I've seen of your are antagonizing me and other windows users who aren't afraid of the truth. Please feel free to point me to posts where you are actually helpful, otherwise I rest my case that you are the troll. I can point to scores of helpful posts of mine and the thankful people I've helped, from what I've seen, you can point to the dozens of people that really don't like your worthless mac bs. YOur minidisc posts really hurt the mac credibility.

Once again, all I can speak for is my system and the other systems I've seen (mac G4 pbs), and my pc experience has been nearly perfect. Therefore, I'm comfotable recommending it, and really could care less about the threads you listed--as far as I'm concerned those threads are of systems that are improperly set up or have components that don't work well together. Every system is different--many people on both platforms experience near flawless performance of Live. Its up to those buying new computers to read around here and find things out for themselve. AS someone who uses live on stage, the huge osx sound dropouts thread would scare me away from the mac. Feel free to "pick my garbage apart" and "call shenanagins" (haven't heard that i awhile), I think JamieF will be very happy with his pc that I helped recommend, and I thats why i joined this thread.Take it easy

Ryan

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