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udp · Post by **udp** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:20 pm

Okay, I don't get environmentalists hatred for humans. Someone please clue me in. I'll confess to have read only the first and last pages in this thread, but it sure is down on humans, and since we are all humans..... get my confusion?

TomTom · Post by **TomTom** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:41 pm

Okay, I don't get environmentalists hatred for humans. Someone please clue me in.

I don't understand the self-loathing either. I'm wondering, since mankind is such a blight on this planet, why we should give a rip about the calamities of Africa...famine, AIDS, genocide. Those are good things, right?

udp · Post by **udp** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:42 pm

TomTom wrote:
Okay, I don't get environmentalists hatred for humans. Someone please clue me in.
I don't understand the self-loathing either. I'm wondering, since mankind is such a blight on this planet, why we should give a rip about the calamities of Africa...famine, AIDS, genocide. Those are good things, right?

Well at least those events keep the population down, so in the eyes of the environmentalist that would be good. Right?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:21 pm

Unfortunately the suffering in Africa is happening too slowy to be truly effective, it's taking a lot of resources to deal with it. Bush didn't help when he revoked contraceptive aid to ANY country that endorses abortions (I so hate that 'man').

What we need is a good old fashioned ritualistic MASS suicide cult. Maybe Jerry Falwell could be hypnotised into organising this. It would be important to use poisons with short half lives so the scavenging animals wouldn't be harmed.

Let's Have A War - Fear (great f-ing punk band)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4PmO9Pavqc
nevermind the video unless you like Farscape (I think that's the show)

udp · Post by **udp** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:39 pm

Tone Deft wrote:Unfortunately the suffering in Africa is happening too slowy to be truly effective, it's taking a lot of resources to deal with it. Bush didn't help when he revoked contraceptive aid to ANY country that endorses abortions (I so hate that 'man').

What we need is a good old fashioned ritualistic MASS suicide cult. Maybe Jerry Falwell could be hypnotised into organising this. It would be important to use poisons with short half lives so the scavenging animals wouldn't be harmed.

Let's Have A War - Fear (great f-ing punk band)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4PmO9Pavqc
nevermind the video unless you like Farscape (I think that's the show)

So explain to me the self hatred that environmentalists have.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:45 pm

you're trolling... no?

You can't use electricity, manufactured goods or processed foods without contributing to the downward slide that the environment is taking, let alone do enough to stop that slide.

It's like that Chapelle skit where Chapelle plays a blind black man who's racists towards black people, imagine if someone told him he was black.

kennerb · Post by **kennerb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:51 pm

Pitch Black wrote:This pic is 4 years old, but I'd never seen it before. On the left is ALL the water on the planet represented by the blue globe. On the right is all the air in the atmosphere. Makes you think...

Are you meaning drinkable fresh water?

If that's the case then I believe it. I think the next global struggle and economy will be about controlling the drinkable water.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:03 pm

TomTom, it's not about self-hate, it's about humility and deeper thought.

Yes, we have enormous power as humans, but we also have even more responsibility.

kramerica · Post by **kramerica** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:21 pm

kennerb wrote:
Pitch Black wrote:This pic is 4 years old, but I'd never seen it before. On the left is ALL the water on the planet represented by the blue globe. On the right is all the air in the atmosphere. Makes you think...

Are you meaning drinkable fresh water?

If that's the case then I believe it. I think the next global struggle and economy will be about controlling the drinkable water.

Don't you think advancement in technology will solve this issue? I'm not sure if it will be fixed in time (the crux of the matter, of course), but there's already been several developments in the scientific field that may well lead to a solution in getting drinkable water out of the oceans.

kennerb · Post by **kennerb** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:26 pm

kramerica wrote:
kennerb wrote:
Pitch Black wrote:This pic is 4 years old, but I'd never seen it before. On the left is ALL the water on the planet represented by the blue globe. On the right is all the air in the atmosphere. Makes you think...

Are you meaning drinkable fresh water?

If that's the case then I believe it. I think the next global struggle and economy will be about controlling the drinkable water.
Don't you think advancement in technology will solve this issue? I'm not sure if it will be fixed in time (the crux of the matter, of course), but there's already been several developments in the scientific field that may well lead to a solution in getting drinkable water out of the oceans.

Yes but who would control that technology and at what price?

To me that is where the struggle would occur.

It would again make something that was available to the powerful and wealthy and unavailable to the worlds poor. Not that this isn't already a huge factor now.

monkeyboy · Post by **monkeyboy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:07 pm

Those pictures look extremely misleading to me.

Yes, they're a striking reminder that we only have so much water and air but if you spread the volume of those spheres across the earth in a thin layer (but still pretty thick on the human scale) then there's quite a lot there.

ANTI-FLAME DISCLAIMER: This does not mean I don;t care about the environment, I am just a pedantic person who gets annoyed when people take things at face value without thinking through what they actually mean. I either cycle or take the bus to work, recycle as much as possible, refuse all plastic bags at food stores and use my own bag, try to eat only organic produce, use energy saving lightbulbs and generally try to have as little impact on the planet as I can.

glu · Post by **glu** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:30 pm

monkeyboy wrote:Those pictures look extremely misleading to me.

Well, I bet not to 1/6 of earth's population!

2007- Inadequate access to safe drinking water by over 1.1 billion people

By Year 2025 forecasts state that 2/3 of the world population will be without safe drinking water and basic sanitation services

Thats 16% jumping to 66% in the next 18yrs!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_crisis

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:37 pm

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Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:56 pm

Machinate wrote:I www.lifestraw.com - makes me proud to be danish, for a change.

Danishes are for old women, gimme a boston cream donut ANY day.

Be proud though, for a breakfast pastry, you kick ass.

Cool device, 700 liters through a thing THAT small, nice.

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:46 am

kennerb wrote:
Pitch Black wrote:

Are you meaning drinkable fresh water?

No that's ALL the water on Earth/in the Biosphere. period.