define "warm"

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Post by dancerchris » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:44 am

Hmmm they don't look straighter to me. Just different in their character. My main point is that Warmth originated as an association with tube vs SS long before digital was in common practice. Digital allows the use of synthetic warmth. I was just trying to point out that difference.

I'm starting to think you have a thing for me, my little tonedeaf shadow.
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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:01 am

dancerchris wrote:Hmmm they don't look straighter to me. Just different in their character. My main point is that Warmth originated as an association with tube vs SS long before digital was in common practice. Digital allows the use of synthetic warmth. I was just trying to point out that difference.

I'm starting to think you have a thing for me, my little tonedeaf shadow.
Cool.

I'm starting to get a thing for you, you're so damn chill even when I disagree with you, some people up in here flip out when I disagree. I dig the tech side of audio and you appear to also. MY PEEPS!!

I wish a heavy hitter DSP programmer would get in on it, there's a lot I still need to learn. It's always very cool to hear the REALITY of the situation from the studio rats.

Oh, and you dropped a 't' from my name, ;) maybe while you were dancing? What's with the name anyway? Chris as in Christine who can pick up dollar bills with her lips and I don't mean with her mouth? Don't mind me, it's time to go home, long day at work, getting loopy.

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Post by Contra » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:45 am

guys and gals (if any)
i love you all, this is what conversations should be like on here,
just fuckin music and engineering nerd talk!


NERDS! POWER UP!!!!!

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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:48 am

dancerchris wrote:Hmmm they don't look straighter to me. Just different in their character.
FWIW I belive the area you were looking at on the transistor curve was the flat spot, that region is called the saturation region, where the transistor is driven hard when used as an on/off switch. The amplification region is the region in yellow below:
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Non-linear, moreso than with tubes.

edit - The input is along the bottom, the x-axis, output is the vertical. Because the line is steeper then 45 degrees the lines plot a number along the x-axis to a larger number on the y-axis, so it's an amplifier. The line is curved, so the gain is inconsistent and introduces distortion. IF the gain line was a straight line, linear, it would be an IDEAL amplifier.
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Post by dancerchris » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:51 am

If you want to talk to DSP programmers go onto the forum at www.kvraudio.com.

Sorry dude, long and hangin' to the left. The name is a leftover from my first forum from my competitive swing dancing days. It just has stuck.

Keep it cool.
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Post by simpleton » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:29 am

"fuzzy"
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Post by Contra » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:29 am

simpleton wrote:"fuzzy"
distortion.


ssl master bus compressor = warm

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