Draggers vs. set-freaks

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Are you a dragger or a set-freak?

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Draggers vs. set-freaks

Post by fzero » Sat May 05, 2007 1:33 am

What kind of user are you? Do you start your live performances with an (almost) empty set or use a huge, carefully planned set? I wrote a little article about these two main types of Live users after a discussion at Create Digital Music. Check it out:

http://www.geradorzero.com/2007/05/04/a ... trackback/

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Post by Johnisfaster » Sat May 05, 2007 1:39 am

I've never heard the term dragger before, where the heck did that come from?
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.

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Post by Johnisfaster » Sat May 05, 2007 1:42 am

oh wait... I get it. dragging things in during the set.

i'm a little slow.
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.

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Post by fzero » Mon May 07, 2007 12:21 pm

I just added a tutorial on the dragger way: Enter the dragger! Enjoy!

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Post by Machinate » Mon May 07, 2007 12:23 pm

I reject the term "Dragger"!


Where is the box for "starts with a clean almost empty set and then builds everything in real-time without the mouse"?

;)
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Post by 4am » Mon May 07, 2007 1:00 pm

there is at least another category: "the pickers" :wink:

i have a large set (about 750 scenes) but it don't play the whole scenes, i just pick a sample here and another there.... then add patterns coming from the hardware i have with me and try to add some "realtime creations" and effects. but without a pre-defined structure...

there are tons of possible combinations and it also depends on the humor of the day

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Post by fzero » Mon May 07, 2007 1:31 pm

4am wrote:there is at least another category: "the pickers" :wink:

i have a large set (about 750 scenes) but it don't play the whole scenes, i just pick a sample here and another there.... then add patterns coming from the hardware i have with me and try to add some "realtime creations" and effects. but without a pre-defined structure...

there are tons of possible combinations and it also depends on the humor of the day
Looks like a set-freak to me! You have a huge set that was prepared in advance anyway. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Post by fzero » Mon May 07, 2007 1:32 pm

Machinate wrote:I reject the term "Dragger"!


Where is the box for "starts with a clean almost empty set and then builds everything in real-time without the mouse"?

;)
Now I'm curious. How do you do it? or do you use a trackball? ;)

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Post by noisetonepause » Mon May 07, 2007 1:35 pm

fzero wrote:
Machinate wrote:I reject the term "Dragger"!


Where is the box for "starts with a clean almost empty set and then builds everything in real-time without the mouse"?

;)
Now I'm curious. How do you do it? or do you use a trackball? ;)
Machinate can loop live like few others. It borders on beautiful.
Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.

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Post by 4am » Mon May 07, 2007 1:38 pm

fzero wrote:
4am wrote:there is at least another category: "the pickers" :wink:

i have a large set (about 750 scenes) but it don't play the whole scenes, i just pick a sample here and another there.... then add patterns coming from the hardware i have with me and try to add some "realtime creations" and effects. but without a pre-defined structure...

there are tons of possible combinations and it also depends on the humor of the day
Looks like a set-freak to me! You have a huge set that was prepared in advance anyway. There's nothing wrong with that.
in fact it is a collection of livesets (one after the other) where i can "surf"...

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Post by LOFA » Mon May 07, 2007 3:19 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
fzero wrote:
Machinate wrote:I reject the term "Dragger"!


Where is the box for "starts with a clean almost empty set and then builds everything in real-time without the mouse"?

;)
Now I'm curious. How do you do it? or do you use a trackball? ;)
Machinate can loop live like few others. It borders on beautiful.
When you say loop live, do you mean perform live or is this another slang adjective?

BTW, Machinate is imo a godsend. The things I have learned from the soundwrecks effects presets are more valuable to me than any college or program could be. Damn!

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Post by noisetonepause » Mon May 07, 2007 3:49 pm

LOFA wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
fzero wrote: Now I'm curious. How do you do it? or do you use a trackball? ;)
Machinate can loop live like few others. It borders on beautiful.
When you say loop live, do you mean perform live or is this another slang adjective?
I mean play MIDI keyboards into Live. We used to have a sort-of band, which was me, him, and a drummer. We'd just do live improv things, great fun, and we did get a good vibe going as long as I stayed in the background:) We'd just start with some atmospherics or whatever, and get going and then build a track from nothing. I remember once me and the drummer left the room and came back ten minutes later, and he's done a whole track by himself which sounded as good as any we'd do all three...

He's not too shabby on the bass guitar either.

(and he gave me a synth once for free)
Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.

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Post by xzusa8ky » Mon May 07, 2007 7:49 pm

Hey where is all the "Copy and Paster's" ?
Bitwig/1.0.5 - Ableton/Live 8 - Apple/MacPro-2.8Ghz-8Core-RAID - Samsung/SM-P2770H 27" - Yamaha/HS80M/HS10W - Behringer/BCR/BCF - Allen & Heath/Xone:3D - Sennheiser/HD25-13 - Native Instruments/Komplete9/Traktor Pro

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