Best way to warp ACAPELLAS?
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Best way to warp ACAPELLAS?
Im having a hard time syncing this accapella to my beat cause she supposed to start singing on the 1.2 (..1.3, 1.4, 2.1, 2.2....) . Whats the best warp mode to use for accapellas Right now i have it set to beats. Thanks
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Re: Best way to warp ACAPELLAS?
I usually warp the original track then play them both and warp the acapella from it. When I used to to mash-ups a few years back this was the way to do it with some hiphop tracks.Sonic Supreme wrote:Im having a hard time syncing this accapella to my beat cause she supposed to start singing on the 1.2 (..1.3, 1.4, 2.1, 2.2....) . Whats the best warp mode to use for accapellas Right now i have it set to beats. Thanks
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Hey Sonic,
Check it out, here's what I would do:
* Import the original song and warp it to get the correct bpms.
* Import the vocal (complex mode)
* change globle tempo to whatever the song is (just for now).
* set warp makrers at on the first beat of every bar at the original tempo so it lines up the the metronome (be careful of songs that have a pickup - a vocal that starts before thefirst beat)
* make a 2 or 4 bar loop of the vocal playing against the metronome or drum beat and adjust as needed.
You could even line it up the original track if you want
** Yes, warpping a a cappella track will take time, and it's not fun, so take your time. Maybe do it on a rainy day.
I hope this helps
Check it out, here's what I would do:
* Import the original song and warp it to get the correct bpms.
* Import the vocal (complex mode)
* change globle tempo to whatever the song is (just for now).
* set warp makrers at on the first beat of every bar at the original tempo so it lines up the the metronome (be careful of songs that have a pickup - a vocal that starts before thefirst beat)
* make a 2 or 4 bar loop of the vocal playing against the metronome or drum beat and adjust as needed.
You could even line it up the original track if you want
** Yes, warpping a a cappella track will take time, and it's not fun, so take your time. Maybe do it on a rainy day.
I hope this helps
Live 6 introduced 'multitrack warping', page 105 in the manual. You warp the original and subsequent clips like the acapella are warped at the same time. You can also copy warp markers from the original to the acapella, page 106 in the manual.
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I struggled with this recently as well. I'll echo what others have said and add a few things that helped me:
1. Lets assume the track was at some point played to a steady metronome locked at a specific bpm--otherwise, if it's "live" and not locked to a click, have fun with warp markers
2. as others have said, import the original track with all the instruments into the arrangerview of Live.
3. tap tempo while listening to the original track (with warped turned off), to try and get close to the tempo by ear
4. Cut off the intro of the song (temporarily) and delete it. I usually go to the first solid drumbeat and cut right to the one.
5. Listen and count out sixteen measures worth of music in the song. Then cut the song at the beginning of the 17th measure and delete it (again, temporarily). Now you have a well trimmed 16 measure long piece of music.
6. With warp turned on for the clip, and the clipped dropped into the arrangerview of Live, adjust the master tempo until the clip is exactly 16 bars long relative to the grid. If your original song is tempo-locked and you do your trimming well, and you zoom in while fine-tuning the master tempo grid in arrangerview, I find that you can get the hundredth of a bpm accuracy that Live allows (ie 98.37 dB or whatever).
7. With the master tempo now set, drag either end of the original song clip to get the whole song back, not just 16 bars.
8. Line up the acapella to the original track by ear/eye. More often than not, the tempos won't match, and you have to stretch or squash the acapella to fit the original track. To do so, adjust the acapellas track's warp bpm in the clip view. I continue to adjust the alignment of the accapella vs. original tracks by ear and eye while fine tuning the acapella clip's bpm.
9. Now what you have is the acapella's original bpm in the clip view. Now it will warp properly--choose a warp mode that works best with the material, save, and done.
1. Lets assume the track was at some point played to a steady metronome locked at a specific bpm--otherwise, if it's "live" and not locked to a click, have fun with warp markers
2. as others have said, import the original track with all the instruments into the arrangerview of Live.
3. tap tempo while listening to the original track (with warped turned off), to try and get close to the tempo by ear
4. Cut off the intro of the song (temporarily) and delete it. I usually go to the first solid drumbeat and cut right to the one.
5. Listen and count out sixteen measures worth of music in the song. Then cut the song at the beginning of the 17th measure and delete it (again, temporarily). Now you have a well trimmed 16 measure long piece of music.
6. With warp turned on for the clip, and the clipped dropped into the arrangerview of Live, adjust the master tempo until the clip is exactly 16 bars long relative to the grid. If your original song is tempo-locked and you do your trimming well, and you zoom in while fine-tuning the master tempo grid in arrangerview, I find that you can get the hundredth of a bpm accuracy that Live allows (ie 98.37 dB or whatever).
7. With the master tempo now set, drag either end of the original song clip to get the whole song back, not just 16 bars.
8. Line up the acapella to the original track by ear/eye. More often than not, the tempos won't match, and you have to stretch or squash the acapella to fit the original track. To do so, adjust the acapellas track's warp bpm in the clip view. I continue to adjust the alignment of the accapella vs. original tracks by ear and eye while fine tuning the acapella clip's bpm.
9. Now what you have is the acapella's original bpm in the clip view. Now it will warp properly--choose a warp mode that works best with the material, save, and done.
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I always just put in the first marker and the last (doesn't hurt to know how long the track is in beats). If it is set to tempo originally, then all should fit quite nice and you just need to make some markers here and there where you feel.
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Re: Best way to warp ACAPELLAS?
You deserve the sky broahlstrominfo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:49 amI usually warp the original track then play them both and warp the acapella from it. When I used to to mash-ups a few years back this was the way to do it with some hiphop tracks.Sonic Supreme wrote:Im having a hard time syncing this accapella to my beat cause she supposed to start singing on the 1.2 (..1.3, 1.4, 2.1, 2.2....) . Whats the best warp mode to use for accapellas Right now i have it set to beats. Thanks
Re: Best way to warp ACAPELLAS?
Finding either a downbeat or upbeat helps. it helps to try to find a hard consonant as those are easier to find a good transient in the singing to align. I did a rap remix a few months ago and it worked pretty nicely.Sonic Supreme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:49 amIm having a hard time syncing this accapella to my beat cause she supposed to start singing on the 1.2 (..1.3, 1.4, 2.1, 2.2....) . Whats the best warp mode to use for accapellas Right now i have it set to beats. Thanks
Tones, Complex, or Complex Pro would be the best for vocals.