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OT: Michael Moore's Sicko

Post by dango » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:23 am

wow,

i do not think i have teared up more than once during a movie ever, this movie changed that. i encourage every person living in the states to see this movie. it was michaels best yet. even if you are young and do not have to worry about health care now, you will some day. what a mess the united states is. we are a country with a major bug in our operating system. it is time for a clean re-install.



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Post by nowtime » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:54 pm

It's out? Why haven't I heard about it? :?:

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Post by tacvbo83 » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:55 pm

will watch it later today

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Post by M. Bréqs » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:56 pm

I am curious to see it myself. Moore totally misrepresented Canadian firearms laws in Bowling for Columbine. I'm curious to see the rosy picture he paints for our health care, which pretty much every canadian thinks is a complete mess.

This sums it up pretty well.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/hl856.cfm

In Canada, where cost is a prime consideration, diagnostic tests are executed for only the most common ailments fitting a patient's symptoms (it saves money). Because of the government mandated rates, labs are slow to process this, so that you submit a test for condition X, then wait for the result. If negative, but symptoms / signs persist, then test for condition Y; repeat ad nauseam. By the time you diagnose condition Z, the patient is beyond the treatable stage and is now terminal.

This isn't just hyperbole; My mom's best friend died as a result of Canadian health care diagnostic procedures.

In a privately insured, system, or a system where you have the OPTION to choose supplemental private insurance, they'll conduct a battery of tests.

I still think that our system is superior to what exists in the US, but it isn't "good" by any stretch of the imagination, and Moore tends to exadgerate and lie to further his own agenda.

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Post by mike holiday » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:05 pm

the only thing that scares me about government health care... is that they will start making everyone piss in a cup... insurance companies already want this.
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Post by Kodama » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:43 pm

I was explaining this to a libertarian friend of mine the other day who was like "I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else's health care" as he shovelled down a cheeseburger.

We already pay for everyone's health care, we just wait until it's an emergencey and they can't foot the $600.000 bill for a heart attack, etc...

Not to mention all the crap that we subsidize that could be cut to pay for preventative health care and nutritional education.

(School lunches that are absolute shite, processed food, tobacco, etc...)

Preventative health care is something that all of us have decided is a right, at least for our selves, it's time we stepped up and weighed the risks across all society to make it a reality for everyone.

We don't have to copy Canada, etc, we just need to make a system that works.

I think we could have done this easily for the 2.5-4 trillion the war will cost us.
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Post by hacktheplanet » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:21 pm

Kodama wrote:I think we could have done this easily for the 2.5-4 trillion the war will cost us.
This is what's been kicking my ass for the last 7 years. That's a LOT of fucking money that could greatly benefit if not eliminate most of the social problems the US is facing.
Shit, I personally don't want to see a penny of it. Just slide a bit of it to the schools. Build a few bike paths. Give some to the CTA to improve service. Build some homeless shelters. Subsidize farmers in the Midwest. Build a modern mass transit system between cities (Amtrak is a joke).
And then if you're feeling generous, reduce my taxes and give me better health care! Or hell, go bananas and donate to NASA to build that space elevator and develop a FTL engine. Let's go to the moon baby.

Goddamn republicans. Assholes. Seriously. Thanks for electing that ape twice in a row. You fucks should foot the war bill so I can have my free health care. Cocksuckers. I can't wait until a real president gets elected and doesn't listen to mentally handicapped advisers and does something useful. Hell, I'd bet that most of them don't even understand the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni Muslim and why they don't get along.
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Post by beats me » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:30 pm

I haven't had insurance for about 5 years now and obviously hadn't been going in for regular check ups. I don't have the healthiest of lifestyles but at the same time don't get ill all that often. About 6 months ago I had severe stomach pains and after about 4 days of not being able to get out of bed I decided I should go to the emergency room. I was freaking out. Kidney problems? Liver? Cancer?

So I went to the hospital, they ran a battery of tests including an ultra sound, and I was only there for about 2 hours. To my complete relief it turned out I only had a stomach flu, which is something I had never had before. Never consult WebMD, list enough symptoms of any type and it will tell you that you are dying of AIDs.

2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.

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Post by eyeknow » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:35 pm

Well, micheal moore sure has done another bang up job........

Ya know, I get sick of this shit, the "left of left" of you all are not the only ones with opinions.....

Maybe instead of constantly bashing any of us so called "right" wingers, you could put your money where your mouth is and do something to improve the world.

bitching about republican all the time isn't helping......that's for sure!

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Post by dango » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:42 pm

sure he may have painted a rosey picture of the health care up north but it was to make a point. nothing is as screwed up as americas health care, to be more exact the insurance companies that run americas healthcare. he gets into how the insurance companies really screw people here and how much they lobbied to make this happen. they bought and paid for the government, much like the arms industry also did.

my grandma before she died was on over a $1000 a day worth of drugs. i mean, give me a fuckin break. me in my prime drug days would have trouble doing $1000 worth of drugs a day. she was in her freakin 90's. they 100% took advantage of the situation and madly over charged.

kind of wierd that american companies can out source jobs to other countries and have things made there, we can buy those products yet we can not go to canada to get medications legally.

but he also painted brtains and frances healthcare system to look pretty nice, is that so?

i just think being able to walk in to a hospital if you need to, get looked at and treated if neccesary and not have to worry about being bankrupt when you walk out is a pretty human plan.
I haven't had insurance for about 5 years now and obviously hadn't been going in for regular check ups. I don't have the healthiest of lifestyles but at the same time don't get ill all that often. About 6 months ago I had severe stomach pains and after about 4 days of not being able to get out of bed I decided I should go to the emergency room. I was freaking out. Kidney problems? Liver? Cancer?

So I went to the hospital, they ran a battery of tests including an ultra sound, and I was only there for about 2 hours. To my complete relief it turned out I only had a stomach flu, which is something I had never had before. Never consult WebMD, list enough symptoms of any type and it will tell you that you are dying of AIDs.

2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.
this story is way to common in the states. when it comes to health care here they throw away the lubricant, sprinkle sand on their dicks, and gang ass rape you.

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Post by nowtime » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:44 pm

The whole Modern Medicine paradigm is as sick of an institution as any: education, military, government, communications, advertisement, modern love.... yes there are good things about these institutions, but the gobal mindset is stuck. Humanity is seemingly at an all time low. But it is always darkest before the dawn. :)

In my view, there are a few sick fuckers with bad values. Their idea of a perfect society is to
1. promote disease-creating foods and drugs
2. promote working and saving for old-age retirement
3. knowing that a high percentage of these old meat puppets will end up sick and in the hospital
4. steal their retirement funds via hospital bills
5. and then tax 'em when they're dead!

A recipe for pure happiness! :lol:

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Post by dango » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:48 pm

eyeknow wrote:Well, micheal moore sure has done another bang up job........

Ya know, I get sick of this shit, the "left of left" of you all are not the only ones with opinions.....

Maybe instead of constantly bashing any of us so called "right" wingers, you could put your money where your mouth is and do something to improve the world.

bitching about republican all the time isn't helping......that's for sure!
have you even seen the movie? what an 8 ball. it isn't about republicans. it is about health care and insurance companies. they see no party, they screw everyone over equally. he actually points out that both sides, republicans and democrats have been bought and corrupted by the powerful healthcare lobbyist.

for your info michael moore is trying to make a difference in the world. as am i everyday i leave my front door. i try to be a good person and help the best i can. michael moore tries to change the consciounsness of people for the better.


the thread was titled OT and had michael moore in the header. if you do not like his movies then maybe you should be smart enough to not join the thread if he just gmakes you angry. you obviously do not know that much

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Re: OT: Michael Moore's Sicko

Post by JACKAL & HYDE » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:19 pm

dango wrote:wow,

i do not think i have teared up more than once during a movie ever, this movie changed that. i encourage every person living in the states to see this movie. it was michaels best yet. even if you are young and do not have to worry about health care now, you will some day. what a mess the united states is. we are a country with a major bug in our operating system. it is time for a clean re-install.



any single ladies living in western countries that provide universal health care that want an handsome nice american husband, please pm me. you brits, canadians, australians, french, etc are so fortunate that you have that.

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Oh boy.... Yea the system here sucks and needs to change no doubt. But Michael Moore trying to show Cubas system is better? Even the NY times thinks its bogus, and they normally laud moore.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/weeki ... =permalink Even Castro himself knows Moore and this movie is full of shit as per the NY Times article. > "Until he had to have emergency surgery last year, Fidel Castro — who turned 80 this year — was considered a model of vibrant long life in Cuba. But it was only last week that he acknowledged in an open letter that his initial surgery by Cuban doctors had been botched. He did not confirm, however, that a specialist had been flown in from Spain last December to help set things right."

In other words, Castro would be dead already if not for surgeons coming in from other countries to save his life and hes the President/Dictator of Cuba! Imagine what kind of surgeries the run of the mill worker gets there? ? !

I wonder if Moore took any footage of the 10's of thousands of political prisoners in Cubas open air jails eating roaches and rats raw to stay alive while he was buddying it up with Castro over a nice chicken dinner & pumpkin pie? Think hes going to do any reporting on that in his next film? haaa

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Post by lesterdiamond » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:24 pm

when i saw bowling for columbine i left the theater thinking it was the greatest documentary that I have ever seen

a while later i found out about how michael moore does things, not going to even give it a watch, no more moore for me after all of those shananigans

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Post by ChiDJ » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:29 pm

beats me wrote:2 weeks later I get bills totaling $3,500. WTF?!?! For 2 hours of diagnostics work? And it's not like they had to send the tests elsewhere and wait for the results. The entire thing took 2 hours beginning to end. But out of the goodness of their "Christian" heart they lowered it to $2,500. Gee, thank you Jesus.
The worst part about this my friend. They would have probably collected less than $1,000.00 from your insurance company because they would have a set fee schedule. You are actually charged the maximum rate they bill when you don't have insurance. A rate they NEVER collect from any insurance carrier. How's that for biting you twice?
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