oh man I've got a way better one for thatM. Bréqs wrote:Forge has kindly provided a clever little means of making posts go away that you don't like.
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oh man I've got a way better one for thatM. Bréqs wrote:Forge has kindly provided a clever little means of making posts go away that you don't like.
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Hmm. So.... In really simple terms, say I enlist in the military - let's say the army - and the President makes a new policy that the Army has to send a guy to stand in the field behind my house. My CO comes to me and say's "We're going to need you to go hang around in this field, keep an eye on it, see that nothing happens". "Yes sir!" and I head off to guard the field.j2j wrote:Oh its so easy to call him an instrument of policy isn't it.smutek wrote:but are yourself an instrument of policy,
The human race is filled with hypocrites. LIke for example. calling this guy an instrument of policy...
smutek wrote: Your argument is like saying - ok, say you and me are walking down the street, you trip and fall and your face goes right into this huge pile of dog shit. I say, "hey, you have dog shit all down the side of your face homes" then suddenly out of the blue some guy comes running up calling me a hypocrite for telling you that there is dog shit all over your face, because we've all stepped in dog shit before.
While I appreciate the defence j2j, Smu is technically right on this point. I am an instrument of policy. Democratically determined policy in this case; the government that sent Canadians to Afghanistan (the Chretien-era Liberals) had an overwhelming majority, and a clear mandate from the Canadian people to do so.smutek wrote:Hmm. So.... In really simple terms, say I enlist in the military - let's say the army - and the President makes a new policy that the Army has to send a guy to stand in the field behind my house. My CO comes to me and say's "We're going to need you to go hang around in this field, keep an eye on it, see that nothing happens". "Yes sir!" and I head off to guard the field.j2j wrote:Oh its so easy to call him an instrument of policy isn't it.smutek wrote:but are yourself an instrument of policy,
The human race is filled with hypocrites. LIke for example. calling this guy an instrument of policy...
So you are telling me that the military is not an instrument of policy?
Your argument is like saying - ok, say you and me are walking down the street, you trip and fall and your face goes right into this huge pile of dog shit. I say, "hey, you have dog shit all down the side of your face homes" then suddenly out of the blue some guy comes running up calling me a hypocrite for telling you that there is dog shit all over your face, because we've all stepped in dog shit before.
Not to be nit-picking here, but that would be "representative democracy", right? Canada didn't have a vote on this, did they? I mean, opinion polls don't really count in such matters, I should think.M. Bréqs wrote:While I appreciate the defence j2j, Smu is technically right on this point. I am an instrument of policy. Democratically determined policy in this case;smutek wrote:Hmm. So.... In really simple terms, say I enlist in the military - let's say the army - and the President makes a new policy that the Army has to send a guy to stand in the field behind my house. My CO comes to me and say's "We're going to need you to go hang around in this field, keep an eye on it, see that nothing happens". "Yes sir!" and I head off to guard the field.j2j wrote: Oh its so easy to call him an instrument of policy isn't it.
The human race is filled with hypocrites. LIke for example. calling this guy an instrument of policy...
So you are telling me that the military is not an instrument of policy?
Your argument is like saying - ok, say you and me are walking down the street, you trip and fall and your face goes right into this huge pile of dog shit. I say, "hey, you have dog shit all down the side of your face homes" then suddenly out of the blue some guy comes running up calling me a hypocrite for telling you that there is dog shit all over your face, because we've all stepped in dog shit before.
Yes indeed. Though I seem to recall that in Oct 2001 - Feb 2002, Canadian opinion polls supported deployment. Unfortunately my google-fu has failed me...Machinate wrote:Not to be nit-picking here, but that would be "representative democracy", right? Canada didn't have a vote on this, did they? I mean, opinion polls don't really count in such matters, I should think.M. Bréqs wrote:While I appreciate the defence j2j, Smu is technically right on this point. I am an instrument of policy. Democratically determined policy in this case;
j2j wrote:smutek wrote: Your argument is like saying - ok, say you and me are walking down the street, you trip and fall and your face goes right into this huge pile of dog shit. I say, "hey, you have dog shit all down the side of your face homes" then suddenly out of the blue some guy comes running up calling me a hypocrite for telling you that there is dog shit all over your face, because we've all stepped in dog shit before.
NO NO NO!!! you have it all wrong! Look at it this way. Say you enjoy having a baseball bat up your rectum. So you pay taxes to the people who make baseball bats. Well obvious you can not say, you do not enjoy having a baseball bat up your rectum.
Thats all I am saying.