hands free looping with 1 pedal, infinite tracks - 2.0.0

Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
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Post by mcintosh_i » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:04 am

Cool, i'll see if i can get it happening with that when I get home. Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

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Post by Tone Deft » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:10 am

glad to help!

I was thinking of posting a very simple patch to try out but this one's pretty simple as it is, just some midi input and some simple math. hang in there, you'll get it!! you're dedicated fo sho!
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Post by mcintosh_i » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:17 pm

Hey Tone, I got it working! I pasted in your text version into a new patcher and made a new collective. Followed the instructions and it all works reasonably well. Lots of fun it is too. :D

The only issue I have is that my midi keyboard's single pedal which I'm using as my stomper seems to send out one of about 4 or 5 different messages, maybe depending on the velocity or something? I dunno. The effect of this is that if we have two tracks in Live who have learned that they're both listening for C0# or whatever, then they'll both start recording when they get that message. What I guess it needs is for all the tracks to be listening for the same midi message, but only fire when they take their turn.

I'm knackered right now so will look at this tomorrow, as it sounds similar to a problem mentioned by someone else earlier in the thread (perhaps I need to turn off Live's remote setting while it's learning messages from Max).

Anyway, thanks heaps for the good work and especially the followup support.

cheers,
Ian

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Post by savale » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:16 am

thnx

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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:05 pm

glad you like it, I think we found a better solution (Live 7 only) here
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

also check Angstrom's signature for a looper he made.




Ableton, we still want native looping tools!! PLEASE!!!!
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Post by Lazos » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:29 pm

Thanks Tone Deft for your attention and experimentation in this area. 8)

I've opted to just assign midi CCs to clip slots and scene launch buttons with with my FCB 1010 so that after all is prepared, I don't look at my computer ever during performance. Anyway, Live still DOES need better looping tools because even though I don't use a click to time my first loop, I necessarily have to play to a prerecorded (usually percussion) loop to get the timing right . . .

Thanks to everyone who's offered advice and techniques and approaches on using Live as a realtime looper! :D

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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:33 pm

Lazos wrote:Thanks Tone Deft for your attention and experimentation in this area. 8)

I've opted to just assign midi CCs to clip slots and scene launch buttons with with my FCB 1010 so that after all is prepared, I don't look at my computer ever during performance. Anyway, Live still DOES need better looping tools because even though I don't use a click to time my first loop, I necessarily have to play to a prerecorded (usually percussion) loop to get the timing right . . .

Thanks to everyone who's offered advice and techniques and approaches on using Live as a realtime looper! :D
yeah, it's funny that after all the messing around a simple solution is the most effective. that's the approach I like to take, some call it workarounds, I call it working.
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Post by bulo » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:39 pm

I pasted in your text version into a new patcher and made a new collective.
Could you share this please. I have the same problem that you had.
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Post by Tone Deft » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:54 pm

sure. IMO this is a better setup
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=looping

I'll post the max patch in a bit, it was one of my first patches, it could be cleaned up.
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Post by Tone Deft » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:11 pm

these pics go into the patch
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max v2;
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Post by bulo » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:14 am

Ok.
Waiting for the max patch Tone Deft.
I just have max runtime and my trial period of the full version has expired so I can't use the script to "compile" it.
And I'm on L6, so no L7 looper for me :cry:
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Post by Tone Deft » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:19 am

take the above, select the text (not the stuff at the top, of course) then open max runtime and select "new from text file" or something like that. I'll work on posting the regular version, it is Sunday night after all, ME time. ;)

bummer about not having L7, it's a nice upgrade, IMO.
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Post by bulo » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:33 am

Are you sure that I can do that with max runtime?
I have already tried to do something with this text but didn't find the "new from text file".
I'll check it and tell you.
But I'm now on my girlfriend's laptop and I'm too lazy to go to the bedroom to take mine, turn it on...
It's late here (France).
I'm not working enought to pay money for the upgrade, plus I'm on an old Ibook G4, plus I'm happy with L6, plus I won't upgrade since Ableton integrate a real looping tool and an automation (easy, the workaround is too boring) possibility for their instruments and effects in the session view.
My tongue spits english like a frog and my head is currently searching for a comprehensive language.
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Post by Tone Deft » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:39 am

try here
http://www.mediafire.com/?20ypgzrb11z

I haven't opened this for a while (a year?) since I use the L7 version and knowing what i know now about max (not much) I'd do a few things differently.

good luck!
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Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
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Post by bulo » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:47 am

Thanks a lot.
Unfortunately it's not downloading :cry:
I don't know why.
I'll give you my email adress in PM if you would like to send me the file with this method.
My tongue spits english like a frog and my head is currently searching for a comprehensive language.
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